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Burritoes4everyone 4 points ago +4 / -0

Don’t know much about the connections to deep state upon its founding but It would seem the establishment (mainly British) was quite resistant to this movement when it began. Anyway, a little bit ago I read a book called “the man eaters of tsavo.” Which the movie ghost in the darkness is somewhat based upon. Col patterson was a Christian Irishman Who sympathized with some of his peers who were Jewish refugees. He ended up playing a key role in the training of the Zion mule brigade, which was made up of Jewish refugees who wanted to take back their homeland from the Ottoman Empire. Much like the Irish who came to fight in our civil war in order to gain military experience and return to Ireland and regain their country from the British, the Zion mule brigade fought with the British to gain experience to fight off the Turkish empire. The men involved seemed genuine and don’t seem too deep state to me but you never know.

https://zionism-israel.com/dic/Zion_mule_corps.htm

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Shalomtoyou 1 point ago +1 / -0

Patterson... I remember that name. William Goldman, famous screenwriter (Misery, Princess Bride, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid among others) wrote a movie called the Ghost and the Darkness, about two man eating lions that interrupted the construction of the British railroad across Africa, and Patterson was instrumental in shooting these two lions.

The legend was good but the movie is mediocre at best due to shenanigans between the actors and the movie studios. (Kevin Costner accepted the row, but the studio wanted to ask Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise said no, Costner found this insulting and quit, Michael Douglas got involved and he was okay as a producer but decided to act as well and wrecked things.... big mess.).

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Burritoes4everyone 1 point ago +1 / -0

Interesting. The man eaters of tsavo is actually Patterson’s first hand account of that story. Pretty good read. The lions were stuffed and given to the field museum of natural history in Chicago Illinois. In his accounts he talks about how it was a very common occurrence for people to just disappear and never be seen again. It wasn’t just the lions that would snatch you up. I’ve found that real life portrayed through historical accounts and biographies/autobiographies are always more fascinating than movies. Another one of my favorites is “Crow killer”. If you’ve ever seen Jeremiah Johnson, that’s the Disney version of one of the baddest dudes to walk this earth.They butchered his story. Crow killer is the biography of “liver eating“ Johnson. A great book too if you enjoy historical accounts.

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Mister_Winston 1 point ago +1 / -0

I read a book of screenplays by Bill Goldman that included the films you mentioned. I think Butch Cassidy was his best work and is my personal favorite. And as you mention, Ghost in the Darkness was a mediocre film. I remember being underwhelmed with it back in the 90's.

I want to thank you for posting that clip from Crimes and Misdemeanors. I had never seen it, so I watched the entire movie last night and was blown away. I've seen a handful of Allen films, but I never knew he explored religion and moral structure so thoughtfully. Then he really brings it home with the question of morals vs happiness, or selfishness (or worldliness) vs unhappiness. It believe it offers insight into his own life decisions as they pertain to his selfishness and happiness.

Thanks again for posting. It's not often that a film recommendation lands so high on my list of favorites.

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Shalomtoyou 1 point ago +1 / -0

I haven't seen Crimes and Misdemeanors in sometime, but the Seder scene is one of those that you just remember.

It's a truism that a morally flawed, even reprehensible person, can still make deep and moving pieces of art. Perhaps their vices informed them on some of the depths people can fall to.

(Of course, some of his movie are dumb slapstick. My favorite is Bullets over Broadway. In fact.... Bullets over Broadway directly challenges the relationship between artistic talent and morality. The most talented artist in the movie is also completely amoral --- hysterically so)

When I saw Ghost of the Darkness I saw the exact problem Goldman wrote about in his book. Douglas's character was cool in his first scene, but just wouldn't go away until you got sick of him.

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Mister_Winston 1 point ago +1 / -0

The Seder scene is heavy and memorable. My only small complaint is that the man of faith concludes his argument by declaring he'd choose God over truth. People of faith wouldn't say this because, to them, truth originates from God. But I understand why Woody Allen wrote the line. He needed to cinch the conversation on a point about happiness. Overall I just appreciate the conversation occurring in a feature film at all.

Anyone who studies art learns early on that there are times they must separate the art from the artist. Otherwise half the greatest works in existence couldn't be appreciated. Artists are so often degenerates. My primary example is Caravaggio. He murdered a guy in a bar fight, but his paintings have influenced my own work.