Since you said you were inspired to write this after our conversation, I appreciate the time you took.
I think you feel that I do not understand the general premise of your beliefs. I feel like I do, at least in some sense.
What I'm having trouble doing is translating it into a practical translation of what we're seeing. I'm having trouble making specific, verifiable predictions, rather than generalized predictions. It feels more religious than anything. Which doesn't make it wrong, but makes it faith-based rather than empirical.
You suggest that your predictions (extrapolated from Q's) will come true, and I can accept that. But what I'm trying to do is translate what we actually see into how they fit into the generalized predictions of Q's eventual victory, specifically with the vaccines.
The original conversation we had asked this question, so I guess I'll ask again and see how we can apply what you wrote.
Let's assume the Plan is going cleanly, and Donald Trump always intended to "leave" office. This was always planned and things are going to plan.
Trump knows the Cabal is planning a "forever lockdown." He knows this will fail, because the Plan guarantees it. There is no possible way the Cabal will survive the next few years, according to the Plan.
If all that is true, what is the point of forcing the vaccine? What benefit does releasing the vaccine actually offer, if the Plan guaranteed the Cabal will fall anyway? The vaccine isn't just targeting the embedded Deep State agents, it's indiscriminate.
So why is the damage being done by the vaccine a necessary part of the Plan if the Cabal was already guaranteed to fall, and never could have enforced a forever lockdown anyway, because Trump was always destined to return? What part of your post explains that?
I just have a really hard time seeing how using a massacre disguised as a medication and endorsed by both sides of the mainstream political spectrum as trustworthy is considered a good guy plan, especially since the vast majority of deaths are innocent people that the good guys are supposed to be protecting. Including vaccinated children.
Sorry, I hit a busy patch at work. I’ve read through what you wrote and started on a response but never had the chance to finish. I will update when I’m able.
The Bloodline families are forced to vaccinate people while everyone is paying attention. During the Spanish Flu "Big Lie" the people were distracted by economic collapse and war.
Sure, but remember that Donald Trump has been continually, proudly taking credit for the vaccine. Sure, we aren't "distracted" at the moment, and all eyes are on the vaccine. But as long as Trump is taking credit for it, it seems he isn't aware of exactly how bad the blowback would be if it turns into poison, if his goal is to get people to focus on the REAL bad guys. We'd just focus on him.
The media is made to leash themselves to this lie. This is needed for the next phase of revelations. The public must feel personally injured before we explain to them the media is part of the cabal.
Q people tend to drastically overestimate how much normies trust the media. Agreeing with a position reported by the media is not the same thing as trusting them. If the media reports that the sky is blue, I won't reject that out of spite.
The first place that I wrote a paper over media bias and its effect on society was in college, in a sociology 101 course. You know, indoctrination camp. They were the first people that were asking students to take a deep dive into the media companies, to recognize how many media companies are owned by the same entities, and so forth. Us indoctrinated college-educated people aren't quite as idiotic about these things as you seem to believe.
The difference is that instead of assuming anything in the media is automatically a lie, we look critically at news stories and determine which parts of it are likely factual, and which might be the result of bias, usually by tapping multiple sources. It doesn't always work. But blindly disbelieving every fact the media depicts is no better than blindly accepting it. Critical thinking is the middle ground and the sign of an educated mind, which I think you know.
Everyone was given a choice to take the vaccine.
Yes, although they are being encouraged by both sides to believe that it's safe and effective, including by Donald Trump, who is supposed to be a good guy in the Plan.
All the data is available for the public.
This is true, although Q people tend to reject most of the public data. The VAERS stuff is also public, but is a tip line, not a verified account of proven vaccine reactions, which is why almost no scientists are freaking out over it. That's like police posting a tip line for a suspect and freaking out because they receive 10,000 tips and assume then that they're dealing with 10,000 clones of the tipster, rather than the notion that most of the tips, if not all of them, are wrong, despite being worthy of investigation.
Vaccines have side effects. They always have. That's always been the case. The public is now going to be made aware.
The public is not ignorant to the possibility of side effects. We've known that forever. The CDC has a page on potential vaccine side effects. The difference comes from Q people believing that the vaccine side effects are more common and dangerous than the science suggests, since you believe the science suggesting this is compromised by the Cabal.
In addition to this people will be able to see that the places with the highest vaccination rates such as Israel have the highest infection rates.
There are multiple other potential explanations for this, the simplest being that Israel was excellent in getting most of its population vaccinated very early. The vaccine effectiveness wears off over time, especially with an actively mutating virus, which means that six months later, much of the population had become vulnerable again as the virus had mutated, specifically because they had been vaccinated earlier. This is why the booster shots are considered necessary; a vaccine is neither perfect protection nor permanent with actively mutating viruses, and this is nothing new or surprising. We always knew boosters were going to be necessary until enough of the population is vaccinated that the virus is unable to transmit and mutate as easily through unvaccinated and insufficiently vaccinated populations.
Remember: Trump is not the one MANDATING anything.
As long as he's backing the vaccines and taking credit for them, I don't see how that's relevant. He's supposed to be a White Hat, but he's telling people it's okay to take a vaccine he apparently knows is poison. He could simply say nothing at all. He could never take credit or boast about them or call them a "lifesaver" if he wanted to, but he's choosing to throw his weight behind the vaccine, even if it's not behind the mandates.
Trump asked if they could use HCQ or Ivermectin and what did they do? The media lied to all of us. The politicians lied to all of us. Biden having all the data chooses to mandate the vaccine instead of pushing HCQ and Ivermectin.
It's worth noting that Merck, the company that makes ivermectin, has specifically said not to take ivermectin for Covid-19. This seems like an odd response if ivermectin is actually a Covid-19 cure. What exactly could the Cabal be offering Merck to downplay the effectiveness of their own cure when having that cure not only gains Merck unlimited control over the population through using such a cure, but also able to essentially print money by selling ivermectin?
Humanity cannot make this mistake ever again. All the sleeping sheep must wake up. ALL OF THEM.
See, again, I think almost all of your theory here relies on the notion that everyone except Q people are complete idiots. I don't consider myself an idiot, and I don't think most people who speak to me would consider me an idiot, even if they think I am wrong. I have been hanging out with the Q community since Q first started posting on 8chan. I've read all the theories and watched the videos and read almost every (if not every) Q post. I just don't agree that they explain the things you believe they explain or carry the authority you believe they carry. I disagree with your conclusions after looking at the same evidence that you are.
Perhaps it's true that it takes killing off most of America to make people wake up, but I ask two questions as a response:
You don't think it's even remotely possible that there's a middle ground in the way evidence is presented here? If I don't believe the words of an anonymous poster on 8chan, then the only other possibility of making me believe the evidence is to kill millions of people? There is literally no other possibility to convince other intelligent people of what you believe? Those are the only two options? Can we even maybe discuss this before assuming that Q knows better than anyone and that mass murder is the only possible choice? Can Q not be the one making that choice for me? I'm obligated to have faith in a random chan poster that killing me and everyone around me is the only possible moral choice?
If we really are so profoundly stupid that mass murder is the only way to get us to pay attention, then what? You think that it will suddenly makes us smart to kill everyone around us? If we're that stupid, it seems much more likely that we're going to continue being stupid regardless of what happens to us. If everyone around us dies, then we'll just say, "Hey, this was Trump's vaccine. He's right there, taking credit for it." There's absolutely no reason for us to assume that Q was right about anything at all just because Trump ordered a vaccine that killed everyone. There's still a lot of dots to connect that we aren't connecting, and Q never really discussed vaccines anyway, so I think you're making a huge jump in assuming that this Plan to allow the vaccine to kill people is somehow going to result in victory for Q by convincing the masses you were right about anything at all.
Thank you for the response, I hope mine is sufficient.
So you're going to accuse me of lying, and then claim that you only visit Reddit "from time to time when it's linked here"? Do you think I entered this conversation with you without knowing exactly who you are and what you're doing over on Reddit? I am fully aware that this isn't the first time we've talked. :)
I'm not claiming to represent Reddit, nor am I claiming that Reddit is representative of a rational and intelligent counter-response to Q. I am claiming only on behalf of myself and other people who spend time looking at Q stuff and disagreeing with it. I was a member of 8chan's Q stuff shortly after Q started posting, before I ever made a Reddit account. You've decided to focus on Reddit and their position on things without them ever having been brought up here.
And of course I'm listening to Q researchers. I've been around this community longer than many, if not most, of the current userbase. I'm here, listening, reading your stuff.
I am sorry that you aren't interested in having further conversations. Please let me know if you change your mind.
Hi Zeitreise,
Since you said you were inspired to write this after our conversation, I appreciate the time you took.
I think you feel that I do not understand the general premise of your beliefs. I feel like I do, at least in some sense.
What I'm having trouble doing is translating it into a practical translation of what we're seeing. I'm having trouble making specific, verifiable predictions, rather than generalized predictions. It feels more religious than anything. Which doesn't make it wrong, but makes it faith-based rather than empirical.
You suggest that your predictions (extrapolated from Q's) will come true, and I can accept that. But what I'm trying to do is translate what we actually see into how they fit into the generalized predictions of Q's eventual victory, specifically with the vaccines.
The original conversation we had asked this question, so I guess I'll ask again and see how we can apply what you wrote.
Let's assume the Plan is going cleanly, and Donald Trump always intended to "leave" office. This was always planned and things are going to plan.
Trump knows the Cabal is planning a "forever lockdown." He knows this will fail, because the Plan guarantees it. There is no possible way the Cabal will survive the next few years, according to the Plan.
If all that is true, what is the point of forcing the vaccine? What benefit does releasing the vaccine actually offer, if the Plan guaranteed the Cabal will fall anyway? The vaccine isn't just targeting the embedded Deep State agents, it's indiscriminate.
So why is the damage being done by the vaccine a necessary part of the Plan if the Cabal was already guaranteed to fall, and never could have enforced a forever lockdown anyway, because Trump was always destined to return? What part of your post explains that?
I just have a really hard time seeing how using a massacre disguised as a medication and endorsed by both sides of the mainstream political spectrum as trustworthy is considered a good guy plan, especially since the vast majority of deaths are innocent people that the good guys are supposed to be protecting. Including vaccinated children.
Sorry, I hit a busy patch at work. I’ve read through what you wrote and started on a response but never had the chance to finish. I will update when I’m able.
Sure, but remember that Donald Trump has been continually, proudly taking credit for the vaccine. Sure, we aren't "distracted" at the moment, and all eyes are on the vaccine. But as long as Trump is taking credit for it, it seems he isn't aware of exactly how bad the blowback would be if it turns into poison, if his goal is to get people to focus on the REAL bad guys. We'd just focus on him.
Q people tend to drastically overestimate how much normies trust the media. Agreeing with a position reported by the media is not the same thing as trusting them. If the media reports that the sky is blue, I won't reject that out of spite.
The first place that I wrote a paper over media bias and its effect on society was in college, in a sociology 101 course. You know, indoctrination camp. They were the first people that were asking students to take a deep dive into the media companies, to recognize how many media companies are owned by the same entities, and so forth. Us indoctrinated college-educated people aren't quite as idiotic about these things as you seem to believe.
The difference is that instead of assuming anything in the media is automatically a lie, we look critically at news stories and determine which parts of it are likely factual, and which might be the result of bias, usually by tapping multiple sources. It doesn't always work. But blindly disbelieving every fact the media depicts is no better than blindly accepting it. Critical thinking is the middle ground and the sign of an educated mind, which I think you know.
Yes, although they are being encouraged by both sides to believe that it's safe and effective, including by Donald Trump, who is supposed to be a good guy in the Plan.
This is true, although Q people tend to reject most of the public data. The VAERS stuff is also public, but is a tip line, not a verified account of proven vaccine reactions, which is why almost no scientists are freaking out over it. That's like police posting a tip line for a suspect and freaking out because they receive 10,000 tips and assume then that they're dealing with 10,000 clones of the tipster, rather than the notion that most of the tips, if not all of them, are wrong, despite being worthy of investigation.
The public is not ignorant to the possibility of side effects. We've known that forever. The CDC has a page on potential vaccine side effects. The difference comes from Q people believing that the vaccine side effects are more common and dangerous than the science suggests, since you believe the science suggesting this is compromised by the Cabal.
There are multiple other potential explanations for this, the simplest being that Israel was excellent in getting most of its population vaccinated very early. The vaccine effectiveness wears off over time, especially with an actively mutating virus, which means that six months later, much of the population had become vulnerable again as the virus had mutated, specifically because they had been vaccinated earlier. This is why the booster shots are considered necessary; a vaccine is neither perfect protection nor permanent with actively mutating viruses, and this is nothing new or surprising. We always knew boosters were going to be necessary until enough of the population is vaccinated that the virus is unable to transmit and mutate as easily through unvaccinated and insufficiently vaccinated populations.
As long as he's backing the vaccines and taking credit for them, I don't see how that's relevant. He's supposed to be a White Hat, but he's telling people it's okay to take a vaccine he apparently knows is poison. He could simply say nothing at all. He could never take credit or boast about them or call them a "lifesaver" if he wanted to, but he's choosing to throw his weight behind the vaccine, even if it's not behind the mandates.
It's worth noting that Merck, the company that makes ivermectin, has specifically said not to take ivermectin for Covid-19. This seems like an odd response if ivermectin is actually a Covid-19 cure. What exactly could the Cabal be offering Merck to downplay the effectiveness of their own cure when having that cure not only gains Merck unlimited control over the population through using such a cure, but also able to essentially print money by selling ivermectin?
https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
See, again, I think almost all of your theory here relies on the notion that everyone except Q people are complete idiots. I don't consider myself an idiot, and I don't think most people who speak to me would consider me an idiot, even if they think I am wrong. I have been hanging out with the Q community since Q first started posting on 8chan. I've read all the theories and watched the videos and read almost every (if not every) Q post. I just don't agree that they explain the things you believe they explain or carry the authority you believe they carry. I disagree with your conclusions after looking at the same evidence that you are.
Perhaps it's true that it takes killing off most of America to make people wake up, but I ask two questions as a response:
You don't think it's even remotely possible that there's a middle ground in the way evidence is presented here? If I don't believe the words of an anonymous poster on 8chan, then the only other possibility of making me believe the evidence is to kill millions of people? There is literally no other possibility to convince other intelligent people of what you believe? Those are the only two options? Can we even maybe discuss this before assuming that Q knows better than anyone and that mass murder is the only possible choice? Can Q not be the one making that choice for me? I'm obligated to have faith in a random chan poster that killing me and everyone around me is the only possible moral choice?
If we really are so profoundly stupid that mass murder is the only way to get us to pay attention, then what? You think that it will suddenly makes us smart to kill everyone around us? If we're that stupid, it seems much more likely that we're going to continue being stupid regardless of what happens to us. If everyone around us dies, then we'll just say, "Hey, this was Trump's vaccine. He's right there, taking credit for it." There's absolutely no reason for us to assume that Q was right about anything at all just because Trump ordered a vaccine that killed everyone. There's still a lot of dots to connect that we aren't connecting, and Q never really discussed vaccines anyway, so I think you're making a huge jump in assuming that this Plan to allow the vaccine to kill people is somehow going to result in victory for Q by convincing the masses you were right about anything at all.
Thank you for the response, I hope mine is sufficient.
So you're going to accuse me of lying, and then claim that you only visit Reddit "from time to time when it's linked here"? Do you think I entered this conversation with you without knowing exactly who you are and what you're doing over on Reddit? I am fully aware that this isn't the first time we've talked. :)
I'm not claiming to represent Reddit, nor am I claiming that Reddit is representative of a rational and intelligent counter-response to Q. I am claiming only on behalf of myself and other people who spend time looking at Q stuff and disagreeing with it. I was a member of 8chan's Q stuff shortly after Q started posting, before I ever made a Reddit account. You've decided to focus on Reddit and their position on things without them ever having been brought up here.
And of course I'm listening to Q researchers. I've been around this community longer than many, if not most, of the current userbase. I'm here, listening, reading your stuff.
I am sorry that you aren't interested in having further conversations. Please let me know if you change your mind.