I have heard conflicting answers to this question. If possible, i woukd love to read Hitlers own words, or from contemporary Germans, why they hated the Jewish people.
I understand this type of thread can be controversial and volatile. I ask that we can keep respectful and kind. While controversial, this is also a legitimate historical question wirth pondering. Especially because it is rarely discussed from Hitlers point of view. Right or wrong, i want to know what HE felt about tge Hewish people. I would greatly appreciate any help, as it is difficult to find it in the dozens of speeches he made..
My personal note is that, while i do notice the amount of Jewish people in positions of power, my opinion of them is very high. They are hard working, family oriented people that treat me in my business very well! In fact i wish Christians learned a bit from them!
Pardon all my disclaimers. I just want some good clean historical information. Any you provide woukd be much appreciated!
First, I am by no means certain that the Egyptians "enslaved" the "Jews" at all. I don't know that the Pharoahs were evil. I don't know that any of what we think we know about history has any truth to it at all. Everything I have seen lately makes me think The Matrix has been around for a very long time, and all of our history has been rewritten. I think the destruction of the Library of Alexandria (each time) was done by the same people as have done the same things to us today (destroy our history to lead us down their path).
As for the Jews, who are the "Jews"? The Jews are the decedents of Judah. While Judah was a son of Israel, he was not the only one. In fact the Kingdom of Judah was distinct from Israel and they were at war often.
When they were in Egypt however, they were not called "the Jews" but "the Israelites".
And what does it even mean to be "the chosen people (race)"? What kind of God chooses one race of people over all others? Molloch? Molloch is that kind of God. They were from Caanan... I mean, this God of the Chosen People demanded first born son sacrifices.
"Oh, but that's just the way the world was then." Really? So the Christian God wanted first born son sacrifices just like Molloch? And then he Changed? But he also says "I am unchanging"?
Look at the original Passover event. The Torah (old Testament) version of the "Creator God" apparently wanted all first born Egyptian sons to die so badly, he sent his angels to kill them all. "Oh, but that was only a last resort because they wouldn't let 'God's chosen people' go" (think about who those people were, one chosen race above all humanity in the entire world). Please note that murder by angel directive is not the same thing as "allowing bad things to happen". This is a direct act of murder by thug. So God wouldn't have killed them all (because presumably such a direct action of murder is bad) if they had only let the people go. God had to choose the lesser of two evils...
What kind of Creator God has to choose the lesser of two evils? Does that make ANY SENSE AT ALL?
The whole "Jew" story stinks to high Heaven (all puns intended). There is all kinds of fuckery there, left, right, and center. I don't think anything we think of as "Jewish" history can be thought of as unsuspicious.
When Moses was a baby, pharaoh had the 1st born Israelite sons murdered and fed to the gators in Nile River. When God passed judgment on Egypt, he did the same to the Egyptian 1st born sons. He was repaying pharaoh for the evil he committed against God’s people.
Didn't realize Pharaoh did this. I know Herod did.
Really? Who told you that? The same book that has a "chosen race"? The same book that demands first born son sacrifice? The same book that is the basis of the Jewish Law?
If that were true, if God (a benevolent Creator God) were to take any direct action (which is ludicrous, but whatever) it would be to punish the people who did it, not slaughter their innocent CHILDREN!!!
A God of Justice doesn't "pay back". A vindictive Creator God doesn't make sense. A murderer of children Benevolent Creator God doesn't make any sense.
If someone killed your son would you go kill his son or would you want punishment for the murderer himself?
If you kill his son, you are a murderer, if instead the murderer is killed, that is justice. Do you see the difference?
I bet a benevolent Creator God probably would too.
Who writes the History Books? The book publishers. Who writes ALL books... same people.
Did you know that the Bible was finalized in 325 A.D. by Emperor Constantine who murdered his wife and child and was a self-proclaimed worshiper of the Sun God? Did you know he did it to unite the disparate Roman areas so he could expand his territory and create a larger Roman Empire? Did you know he codified these beliefs into Law in order to make sure all the religions of the various regions agreed on the "appropriate beliefs"? Did you know that the "Triune God" was not formalized to include the Holy Spirit until 380(ish) A.D. and that Jesus as God wasn't formalized until 325? He had to make it into Law to get everyone to agree. Many Christians didn't, perhaps most. These types of Trinity ideas btw come straight from the Sun God type of belief system. These are the beliefs of the Religion people call Christianity. This is the origin of that Religion.
Welcome to the Holy Roman Empire!
Please note that I am in no way disparaging the Teachings of Yeshua. If you would like to learn more of his teachings I suggest you look at the Gospels not included in the Bible. There are many interesting things there. Those were books (among many others, including the Book of Enoch) that were left out by the people that created the final edit of the Bible 300 years after he died to unite the Roman Empire under one God-Emperor (Called the Pope, a divine ruler).
Bro, I’ve read into all these things. The council of Nicaea, the gospel of Thomas, book of Enoch. Yes, I am aware of these as well. I understand where you argument stems from. I honestly don’t have all the answers nor do I pretend too. In my personal life, God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ have been pretty kind to me. But if you did have a people whom you chose and some asshole pharaoh was feeding their babies to fucking alligators, wouldn’t you want to get even. Especially when pharaoh was boasting about being a god and made his decree against the Israelites like an arrogant deity. God, stepped in, like alright, bet. Watch this asshole.
No.
Never.
Getting even makes no sense.
Getting even is evil by all measurements of morality.
Justice is never about getting even. Justice is meted out with sorrow and sympathy. You enact Justice because you have to, never because you want to.
So we are told. I believe absolutely nothing is straight forward about that story, but even if it was, there is no concept of a "Chosen Race" that makes any sense.
I mean, who is the chosen race today? The Jews (the children of Judah (from the land of Caanan), not the Israelites). Who are the Egyptians? The Goyim. Who are you? The Goyim. Your first born son would have been killed too.
Because of the actions of one person? One asshole ruler?
Imagine if God came and killed your son because of the actions of Joe Biden.
Same thing.
Looking at history, these types of actions sound like Molloch. They sound nothing like any benevolent Creator God.
Your beliefs were created to rule an empire. They worked really well to control the minds of half the world for nearly two millennia. They have nothing to do with the Teachings of Jesus. If you have found wisdom there, if you have found comfort there, that is wonderful. But believing that the stories are True, or that the dogma is Reality would not make Jesus proud I don't think. In fact, upon a deeper reading, with more of the works included, I think they are antithetical to his teachings.
I like the book of Enoch a lot.
But God can undo those innocents' deaths.