So my daughters and sons in laws (brothers) have decided to worship God as Messianic Jews (they have chosen Jesus as Saviour and Believe he is the Son of God) because rather than the Baptist church they were raised in which tended to avoid many tough subjects and lightly skim through others rather than delve in depth to learn, teach and understand, they wanted to learn and use entire Bible (as God intended)
My dilemma is that they have sent me a link following several discussions regarding why not to celebrate Christmas due to pagan roots So I read up on the history of Christmas. Yes, the cut tree, the red and green lights and ribbons and the wreath and mistletoe all have pagan origins, however no one knows the exact date of Jesus birth since they did not keep track and from what I gather, it sounds like worshipping God as Christians was banned and punishable by death in many countries and cultures blending these cultures with celebrating Jesus birth became a way of basically worshipping in secret and the gifts represent the gifts the wise men brought To Mary and Joseph. And the lights are like blending in Hannukah as well. Never did get into the whole Santa thing.
Both our son in laws parents (friends of ours) and my husband and I still want to get everyone together and celebrate Christmas and believe the kids are being legalistic. Currently one of our daughters and her family wish to go do something else because they don’t agree.
Praying they come around,
May I get yall’s thoughts please.
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Just Tell them if they want to toss everything with Pagan origins they’ll have to toss everything from the names of our planets, to the names of the days of the week. Because the days of the week honor Norse Gods lol
Funny you should say that. That was actually another conversation with one of my son in laws. We were all out stargazing one night and my son brought up that while out in dark putting his birds in coops for the night he saw a slow moving streak in the sky (turned out to be one of the new space exploration/satellite companies) and one of our grand daughter pointed out a big bright star which I then noticed appeared to be moving slowly, so I said maybe it’s a satellite or a planet. My son in law piped in and said “I don’t believe in planets, it’s just a star.” This got me looking for planets in the Bible and by george, I think he may be right. There’s mention I found of the earth, the sun and moon and stars and heavenly host and the universe. Nothing that I could find on planets. I do believe it’s quite possibly a manmade theory that has been adopted as fact because if ‘science’
I believe there is a distinction between stars and heavenly host, which sometimes refers to planets, and sometimes refers to angels:
And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which the Lord your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven. Deut. 4:9
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Planets here's one answer: https://askjohnmackay.com/planets-why-does-the-bible-only-mention-the-creation-of-stars-and-not-the-planets/
Yep, makes sense
To deny the existence of planets would be to deny the existence of gravity. Because of how gravity works. You can’t jump and float away, because gravity pulls you down. The gravity that pulls you down is based on the size of our planet. The gravity based on the size of our planet is what holds the moon in our orbit. The moons gravity is what controls the tides of our oceans. The gravity of the sun is what holds the moon and our planet in orbit. Jupiter’s gravity is what protects us from a large part of any potential asteroids. Etc
The stars or ‘heavenly hosts’ could be what does that
Could be