So my daughters and sons in laws (brothers) have decided to worship God as Messianic Jews (they have chosen Jesus as Saviour and Believe he is the Son of God) because rather than the Baptist church they were raised in which tended to avoid many tough subjects and lightly skim through others rather than delve in depth to learn, teach and understand, they wanted to learn and use entire Bible (as God intended)
My dilemma is that they have sent me a link following several discussions regarding why not to celebrate Christmas due to pagan roots So I read up on the history of Christmas. Yes, the cut tree, the red and green lights and ribbons and the wreath and mistletoe all have pagan origins, however no one knows the exact date of Jesus birth since they did not keep track and from what I gather, it sounds like worshipping God as Christians was banned and punishable by death in many countries and cultures blending these cultures with celebrating Jesus birth became a way of basically worshipping in secret and the gifts represent the gifts the wise men brought To Mary and Joseph. And the lights are like blending in Hannukah as well. Never did get into the whole Santa thing.
Both our son in laws parents (friends of ours) and my husband and I still want to get everyone together and celebrate Christmas and believe the kids are being legalistic. Currently one of our daughters and her family wish to go do something else because they don’t agree.
Praying they come around,
May I get yall’s thoughts please.
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These are some of the scriptures that my daughter brought to my attention.
Jeremiah 10:3-4 3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Isaiah 57:5 You burn with lust among the oaks and under every spreading tree; you sacrifice your children in the ravines and under the overhanging crags.
Jeremiah 2:20 “Long ago you broke off your yoke and tore off your bonds; you said, ‘I will not serve you!’ Indeed, on every high hill and under every spreading tree you lay down as a prostitute.
Jeremiah 3:6 During the reign of King Josiah, the LORD said to me, “Have you seen what faithless Israel has done? She has gone up on every high hill and under every spreading tree and has committed adultery there.
As I said before, Jer 10:3-4 is about making idols (statues) out of wood that represent false gods, not about worshipping trees themselves.
Always check against the KJV and read John Gill's commentary.
The KVJ version of Isaiah 57:5 is:
And reading John Gills commentary suggests that under the trees is just a location where they would worship their wooden idols, just as on the hilltops is another location.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/isaiah-57-5.html
Note: with this next reference, the commentary on the last phrase of Jer 2:20 has been erroneously buried under the footnotes section:
https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/jeremiah-2-20.html
https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/jeremiah-3-6.html
Curious why you responded the same twice
I edited the post to fix a typo, which must have sent it to you twice?
Oh, ok