Let me explain it this way. The Federal government can only oversee things so far as the Federal government is concerned.
Unless the Federal government has a contract with a company, they can't mandate shit (well, that's how it should work).
But since OSHA is basically a Federal Regulatory arm of the government, the question arises if any and all companies that follow OSHA guidelines would have to be involved in the mandate, whether or not they were Federally contracted.
Today, the Courts rightly decided that the Federal government would be overstepping its bounds by demanding non-Federal-contracting companies comply with their mandates.
All of Healthcare, by contrast, is required to carry Medicare and Medicaid provisions, so they can't use the same logic as OSHA-regulated industries.
So now, Healthcare has to go through their own cases to figure out if the mandate is legal for them as well. As far as this court is concerned, Healthcare is always sucked in by the Federal Government, and so the mandate applies to them more rigidly than it would for industry. (You have to think in a frame of mind of limiting maximum damages to the grieving party. If the mandate goes out for people not federally contracted, and damages do occur, the court would be to blame for bad judgement, and all hell breaks loose Constitutionally.)
It appears others have already jumped on this and asked the 6th Circuit to fulfill an injunction on the Healthcare aspect of it as well, so it looks like we're gonna be coming back to settle this at a later date.
The courts did as they should in this case.
The only fear is in if they were too heavy-handed with their reasoning and provide Trojan Horse precedent in their statements for other adjacent cases, such as the Abortion cases on the docket.
Maybe this will inspire the health care systems to start backing out of government contracts. Could be a good thing.
The way it is rigged, that's impossible.
Because Medicaid and Medicare are damn near impossible not to have provisions for, Healthcare is stuck chained to the teet of Federal bureaucracy until something big comes in and shakes up the industry pecking order.
Bombs will go off before the elite relinquish the bedfellow orgy that is the Big Pharma / Hospital / FED gang bang.
We shall see. Seems the SCOTUS is on our side for the time being.
Well more accurately our interests incidentally align w ruling class investment demands
Ok put it simply…if you’re taking federal money…you may be affected and they may have a right to mandate it for you bc you’re an “employee” so to speak? Did I understand that correctly?
But regardless. Where does bodily autonomy fit in? Shouldn’t religious and health exemptions be there ?
Kinda yeah, kinda no. Again, politicians constantly put in loopholes to benefit their own interests.
You're not really an "employee" but if you want to work for them, you gotta do as they say exactly.
This also counts for subsidies, so keep that in mind. I'm not sure if this case specifically talks about subsidized parties to the Federal government as well.
If so, then this is far more of a MAJOR ruling than it first appears. It means any company getting handouts from the government can't hide behind the mandate either. It doesn't affect their own private company policies for workplace health criteria, but it is a good wall to stop the FED from saying all people on Government aid need to do what they say.
This case today is just the foot in the door. The rest of this stuff still needs to be ironed out, up until deciding whether or not the Federal Government has ANY say in Personal Health Decisions.
Now that undercuts abortion cases as well, so think hard about what it could mean if the Government comes out and says "The Federal Government has no say in the medical decisions of a private or contracted individual."
That opens the door for a solidification of Roe v Wade under the pretense that women's health and the "right" to the "medical" procedure of abortion cannot be restrained by the Federal Government.
Spun another way, it could also provide that since the Federal Government has no business in Private Health Decisions, they have no basis to legally subsidize abortion with tax-payer monies.
This is a rocky ground we just came upon. It can go either way very quickly, so don't be surprised if anything they do now comes back to haunt another decision later down the rope.
I think Thomas brought up natural immunity to some affect.
That actually plays into religious and health exemptions.
But, basically, they don't want to muddy the waters with that right now, I'm certain.
I would agree that this needs to be limited to a case of Federal Contract regulations and restrictions.
Taking it to a 1st Amendment argument with protections of Religious and Health beliefs can actually open a can of worms that goes beyond the circumstances of this very specific case.
Some bad precedent can be made here given the wrong context.
In another cases' circumstances, we'd have a much better chance of getting a sweeping and honest ruling on the matter.
For now, we just have to focus on chipping away at one industry at a time. It's the same reason omnibus bills are problematic. Too many tangential arguments outside of their time and place tacked onto something already bloated will only open the door for corruption.
Yes narrow and specific. I hear ya.
Regarding the healthcare employees mandate, the Supreme Court simply failed to uphold an injunction against the mandate (I think).
It seems they want a 💩show in hospitals. Maybe this entire Supreme Court ruling is really all about the healthcare! Hospitals get money from covid deaths ... probably will get money for any deaths.. hence enforce the mandate leading to short staff..and run by the brainwashed ... I had a dream at the beginning of this shamdemic.. nurses were falling in hallways.. the hospital was locking down.. and security told me I couldn’t leave and I woke up
So I need some help understanding what this all means. I work for a Fortune 500 company and they preemptively gave the employees the choice to either take the jab or weekly test and wear a mask. Can they still enforce or have they lost that ability to do so? Does this also mean that people that lost their jobs? Can people file lawsuits now?
Companies and Employers can still do whatever the hell they want.
If they demand you work in a tutu, then that's just the terms of working there.
But without this mandate going through, they'd be responsible for anyone getting ill after taking the shot in order to work there. They can't hide behind massa gubment anymore.
Of course that would still require people to needlessly die and for the court systems to actually process the cases and not bury them.
If you lost your job to it, then I don't know exactly how well off you're gonna be. They fired you when it seemed like they had no other option. If argued well, and before an incompassionate judge, you're probably not gonna get diddly squat. That comes to a case-by-case basis, because what was said by each individual before separation of employment varies. Some will have better claims than others. If you said "yes I'll get it" and then didn't compared to just flatly saying "no, I won't get it" as well as just ignoring any and all requests and doing nothing at all -- all those instances will vary what standing you have to sue.
It's a crazy situation, and I don't think it's ever happened on this scale before. Class actions could come into play, but don't hold your breath.