First, I want to say that I really hate the word grooming, as the word doesn't convey all it's about.
I saw a post around here a bit ago, that talked about the "grooming" going on in VRchat.
Young kids encouraged to sexualize themselves constantly, even performing for older men on request.
It's not a new phenomenon and one the post inspired me to talk about something I’ve wanted to for awhile.
I’m not sure I have the best words to articulate it, but damn if I’m not going to try my best.
(This post kind of got out of hand, jumps around quite a bit, and is very long. The points jump around, and I might not always be the most clear, but I hope it gets across what I'm trying to say,
That grooming, sex addiction, and men blaming women,(and women blaming men) have lead us down a dark path.)
A little backstory about me though.
I was raised in a large family with a fear mongering mother. She was heavily religious, and instead of teaching the love of god, she taught the fear of God, and that he was always watching you, and would punish you if you even thought about a sin.
This led to a lot of inner turmoil with my religion that I only gained a better relationship with, in my early 20s (I’m 27 now.)
Because of our homelife and our mother taking our her depression and anger on the children daily, many of us retreated to the solace of early 2000s internet.
I’m not even sure where to start.
It’s a meme nowadays, the Runescape character “Looking for GF, will pay gold”
But every game I went to when I was younger, even Disney’s own Virtual Magic Kingdom game, had people looking for a GF or BF.
Habbo Hotel, Wonderland Online, Puzzle Pirates, Neopets.
All were free to play, and in every single game, I found men who wanted “girls” and when they found them, they immediately jumped into the “so what do you look like? How big are your breasts?”
“Have you ever sex talked?”
Every female avatar at some point was harassed on whether they were a “real girl” or not, and if you were, you were treated differently.
I remember being 15 and only playing with female avatars in one of my games, because it seemed like actual girls playing them for the most part.
But once I found a guy who didn’t talk about his gender while in the group, but while we were alone, opened up about how he was “a guy playing a girl," cause he "wants to look at something pretty all day”
Being nice I didn’t immediately cut contact with him,(as we had talked all that day while questing) but as we talked more, I learned he was in his 20s, his sister had recently met and married someone she met online, and he really wanted that too.
He talked about how nice I was, and how they had same sex saunas in his country, and how he would love to get to know me more in one of those saunas, because in his country “Saunas is just where you go to socialize.”
Hell, he talked about how I “didn’t even have to wear a towel” if I didn’t want to, because it was actually normal for them to just spread out naked in the sauna in his country.
This man later admitted that when he first got to know me, he just “knew” he wanted to marry me, and fly me to his country and “make me his own”.
but at that age, I was honestly was more bamboozled that this man was so open with a girl he only knew for a few days (and pretended he was a girl with), to the point he was already talking about wanting to marry me.
Every time I played Habbo Hotel, I saw people who were willing to trade items and gold, just for girls to “dirty talk” them.
I walked in on people sex talking, numerous times, finding creative ways to get around the child censor.
Yes, there were guys who played female avatars, but there were also a lot of real girls too. Online games were like giant dress up games and doll houses, of course girls were drawn to them.
I tried to stick to girl friends as I grew up, as I was in a bit of an abusive relationship with a british guy for most of my teenaged years.
He was paranoid that I was going to find someone better than him, and would warn me about if I had any guy friends, so I always tried to vet people to see if they were really girls.
And wouldn’t you know, there were a lot of girls out there, and lot of them struggled with the same things I did.
Men who as soon as they saw you were a female avatar, immediately asking what you looked like, if you were willing to sext, conversations that always turned to flirting and wanting to bang immediately.
IMVU was a cesspit of custom sex animations, and people only using it in order to try and get laid.
I was desperately looking for friends. I was homeschooled, and had no social interaction. I played these games because I wanted people to talk to, and with my boyfriend and family both being very controlling and harassing, it was the only escapism I had.
I remember one of my friends messaging me. She had the same issue, she was lonely and looking for friends, and people would message her claiming to want to know her, but as soon as she sent a picture of herself, and they found she wasn’t the most attractive, they would cut contact with her.. Unless she wanted to take off her top.
(Or the boy who carved her name into his arm, because she made him "unhappy", nothing traumatizes a girl worse than someone self harming in your name. Specially if they self harm as well)
We simply lamented that people sucked everywhere.
Its kind of funny when I stopped getting harassed so much though.
Being tired of immaturity and people wanting to sext in every game, I started specifically joining older groups of players, and passing myself off as “over 18”.
As soon as I started doing that, I stopped getting so many random people, messaging me about sex, and wanting to sext.
Everything we have today, from the million genders, the trans nonsense going out the window, people saying they are trans animal, and race, and disability,
Every single one of those talking points was on Tumblr a decade ago.
Except back then they were contained and simply laughed at.
But a lot of those Tumblr users?
They were the same women who had dealt with the same harassment from men as I had all those years, but instead, it had morphed many of them into twisted man-hating, yet sex addicted, purple haired liberals, who threw away what made them feminine because of how they were treated.
Many complained of what I talked about, many complained about falling for men, who then manipulated them, talking about doing terrible things if they didn't start sending scandalous pictures of themselves.
People who they thought they trusted, sharing those pictures with other people.
And they turned around, untrusting of men, and throwing away what makes them women, in order to not face or deal with their trauma.
A lot of those women, just want a man to dominate them, and make them theirs's.
They want the loving home life that they see in the old pictures, they want a man to make a family with them, but they are so broken from their experiences, and others around them constantly affirming that “Yes, it’s all men who are like this”, that they reject everything that would get them that, and make them happy.
And yes I know this, because all growing up, I would read these people’s Tumblr (or other site’s) fanfictions of their current obsessions.
People who were abused, would write fanfictions about their media character of the week, swooping in to save their OC who was beautiful, and falling in love with them, and starting a family. (or having men “forcibly” making the OC theirs.)
All while the author would claim they were a million genders, and asexual, and didn’t want anything to do with cis men or traditional gender roles.
All of this pain and sex addiction, has carried over into the next generation.
Guys are still horny as ever. Still asking women at every turn for nudes, still telling women their worth is what they look like.
Still dropping into their DMs the moment they find out they are a woman.
I get into a lot of arguments whenever men say that it’s all women’s fault that this is going on.
I argue that, if men weren’t so sex obsessed, weren’t so obsessed with having a girlfriend, that they would date anyone with any view, as long as she banged them, we wouldn’t have this.
(A quick point that I meant to touch on during this rant but didn’t and briefly mentioned it here. I see sooooooooooo many men, who talk about being conservative, yet they have a partner with completely different views from them. Women too honestly.
If men stopped dating liberal women (or terrible women in general) and supporting them, they wouldn't have so many women who think they could get or "deserve" a man, no matter their views or how they look)
I argue that women want to please men, that they grow up, doing what they think will make them attractive to men, and I get scoffed at.
Yet all growing up, I surrounded myself with young girls, who all talked about wanting a boyfriend, wanting a family. They were desperate to do anything to get a boyfriend who was like all the stories they were reading and creating around them.
They all wanted that, and the men around them said that in order to get that, you had to whore yourself out.
Yes, they didn’t “have” to. I know that. But girls are young and impressionable, you see what happens when girls chat with their favorite youtubers.
How they turn into fangirls willing to do anything to make them happy.
Guys with charisma, who make them feel all bubbly inside, who compliment them,
Who then more and more, start pressuring them to make them “happy” by taking naughty pictures, or sex talking them.
“You don’t want to make me upset, you don’t want me to stop talking to you, do you?”
For a young girl, those words can be terrifying, especially if you are starting to really like the guy.
And especially when the mental manipulation starts playing up, and they start talking about self harming, or even killing themselves, if this young girl doesn't do what they say.
That can be incredibly scary for a girl, even if to an adult, it's obvious they are just manipulating the girl and don't really mean it.
I had a boyfriend pull the same stuff on me, and when I finally stood up to him, he overdosed on his insulin, and left me a long note.
That stuck with me for a long time, even though he didn't die and was hospitalized. I was 14.
This is what leads both sexes down the path of sex addiction.
It leads both genders down the path of, you can get what you want, through sex and manipulation.
You ask yourself, why aren't women modest? When you have men encouraging them, to sexualize themselves at every turn.
You have men and women, who are both encouraging young girls to join OnlyFans as soon as they turn 18.
Some of these girls have Twitter countdown timers, until they turn 18, and they have hoards of followers.
You have youtubers asking to see girls butt holes, saying they masturbate to their fans, telling them they want an over sexualized GF.
Who is telling these girls, this isn't the path to live??
no one.
Instead, we are blaming women for falling for the psychological pressure, of everyone around them.
Especially, since many of these women are growing up in broken families, already emotionally vulnerable to the first manipulative "dominant" man.
Because of this, I know there there are many women, who are growing up with warped perspectives.
It's what leads to the arguments of "Every woman is whore, every woman just wants the chad with the biggest dick. Every woman just wants the guy with the most women. Women will leave you after 10 years if they find a shiny new thing"
And there isn't much I can do about this, other than don't settle for something that isn't perfect for you. Don't chase after women who don't want a home life like you do.
I know plenty of women who want the conservative, stay at home waifu life, but they think men all want women who are wage slaves, that whore themselves out.
This leads me into a bit of an argument that I have with "conservative" men.
The fact that they will find women who they deem as liberal or whores, or otherwise "unfit" to date long term, but they will still mess around and fuck them.
“A key that can open any lock is useful, while a lock that opens for any key is useless”
I've had countless men argue with me, as to why it's okay for them to fuck repeatedly, but not women.
That they need "experience" or that they're okay banging someone on the first date, but that just means she's not "wife" material.
Why is it "husband" material, to bang a liberal on the first date?
Because those women think differently, it's okay to turn them into toys to be passed around, as "experience"?
Why is it okay for a man to be a whore? No one should be sleeping with anyone on the first date.
Yet so many men try to reason why they should be allowed to.
I know there are people out there who disagree with me. I know people are going to argue that people should know or should be taught better, but
We are all humans, and we have moments of weakness.
I know there are a lot of bad women out there, gold diggers and people who would hurt you to get what you want.
But there is also a lot of bad men out there, willing to manipulate and dominate women, and use them how they see fit. I see it even with many of those who claim to be on "our side"
And it sows distrust on both sides, when we constantly say both genders are their extremes, and refuse to see that it's just another divisive tactic, constantly pushing the worst of both our genders to the front, and saying this is how everyone acts, instead of trying to find out why supposedly everyone acts this way.
And it's something we can fight, if we actually follow our own teachings, and pass it on to our children.
I know this post is all over the place, so if you read all this, I appreciate it.
It’s something I’ve wanted to talk about for awhile, and maybe make a video on? But it isn’t something I’ve articulated to many people.
As I’ve lamented, many people don’t share my views. Many people tell me that women somehow have all the power, and it’s unchecked women causing all this chaos.
I know women are a big part of it, but to say men are completely blameless is a disservice too.
How did women get this bad, if men didn’t allow them too?
I read the entire thing.
I'm glad I put all the kid's computers in the family room. I thought it was a good idea to keep an eye on what they were doing but didn't realize how good an idea it was.
What would you say your TLDR for this post is, OP? It is a little all over the place.
But I'm thinking the main gist of it is that even non-predator men feel they have the right to be a slut but women don't?
In my view it is a biological reality that men have a much smaller investment in a child than a woman. I think that is undeniable. A woman is stuck being pregnant for nine months. So that in the natural world is going to lead to different behaviors. Women would become more selective and try and hold out for a mate who will stay with her (and assist), and who will give her the best genes for her child. The male strategy would be to sow oats all over the place.
And by strategy I mean evolution. "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins
But this isn't the natural world, this is the civilized world. Every day we have to control our urges in order to be a respectable citizen of our world.
And I think we made a lot of progress since society developed, but the technocrats have been pushing us backwards on this. The internet has infinite free porn of every type. There all all kinds of apps to encourage promiscuity like Tinder and Grinder. Snapchat so you can send nudes to each other that self-destruct.
Maybe the 1950's were not ideal in a lot of ways, but from some standpoints, much better than what we have now. I think all this porn has really screwed people up. I'm not sure we can get back to a state where sex was much more private and much less casual.
To add. Internet and social media have ruined us. For all the good they Could do, they do so much more harm. Porn use to be limited to Playboy magazines and such, now you have all the free porn you want, and then you have a sex Industry where OnlyFanss and similar have taken mainstream. Women are now doing it for money and not giving a shit about their own privacy.
I think both men and women are to blame for this and the biggest piece is that God has been taken out of so many parts of life. Church can be a place for.good, but even that has become a place where there are agendas and such. Fearing God to a degree isn't bad, loving God knowing he is sovereign is what's most important.
My TL;DR,? It's a little hard since I think it's all connected.
We had media constantly pushing that we needed an SO, and we should do whatever it takes to get one, even if that meant changing ourselves.
We have people pushing that promiscuity is for the best, even tho divorce rates increase with the amount of sexual partners someone has had.
Inject porn and sex obsession, and let the rest take care of itself.
My main point is actually that men have a lot of power in how women are shaped to be.
And men are able to become easy predators, because of the naturally submissive and wanting to please nature, of women.
I see it in my sister, the moment she started talking to my friend (who is 19, her age) how her demeanor changed, in order to try and please him more.
But with sex obsession, men push women to sexualize themselves more, because they want the instant gratification that they get from porn, with a real girl, sooner.
And this leads to women then sexualizing themselves, to get these men.
So yes, I know the biological evolution of men and all. But because of this, men have a lot of influence over the women that want them.
and yes, I wish we could find a happy medium between all the extremes that we've had. Because porn really has messed with peoples brains.
Excellent TLDR summation, OP!
I think the porn industry is subsidized by the elites to push society in the direction they want. They want most men to feel like they are too small to ever please a woman. They want all women to be size queens. To create incells. To reduce the number of families, to reduce the birth rate. And I think it is designed to push people towards more rough and impersonal sex and fetishes. I think it is wildly destructive to our society. I'm not sure what we should do about it. I'm a big believer in free speech and lack of censorship.
I think having a Dad in the family that respects the wife and kids provides an example of how to behave around women to the boys, and an example of a gentleman for the girls. My own kids are now adults and all are well adjusted normies in stable relationships, so we must have done things mostly right.
Exactly. The porn industry is just another way they use to destroy and attack the nuclear family.
I've always been of the opinion that if you wanted a good sex life, finding someone you love and can be open with about all your needs is all you need.
Yet all the time I hear that it's about all the different men you could have. Why? what makes the penis different if it's attached to random men?
I agree that having a good father is monumental, and one blessing of my childhood. I really looked up to my father, even if he couldn't always stand up to my mother.
I think just because we are for free speech, doesn't mean we have to allow people to blast their sexual wants and preferences, where they please.
Like teachers who tell their classes about their sexuality and who they bang. It just brings up topics children don't need to learn about, because it inevitably boils down to "who do you want to bang" and not any teaching about who you "love".
Yes, they keep pushing and pushing to get this sex stuff to younger and younger kids. It was never necessary in the past, and it isn't necessary now.
The flaw in your reasoning about female selectiveness is that in the natural world, pre-property timeline, kids were basically raised in common. Food was gathered collectively. Territory was defended collectively. There were no "families" of hard workers or freeloaders where one had resources and one starved. Where they went 1 they went all. "Selectiveness" is a social adaptation to the terrorizing rule of cabal property hoarders
Friendship should be granted only to those worthy to be chosen, for one's personal reasons. This weeds out a great deal of trouble when you have standards. Unfortunately, the internet pretty much buried this age old tradition.
When I was a teen, there were the foster kids who had no mother to teach them how to dress properly. I pitied them and would be kind to them. Other girls I knew, had a strained relationship with their mother. I would be the peacemaker bcz both parties liked me, and I made ppl laugh. But mostly I did not choose to be friends with girls who hated their mothers. I was fortunate to have a mother and grandmother to tell my troubles to, growing up. And a sister who was ten years older. When you have good women in your life, you don't want to do anything to make them ashamed of you. But more and more women are too busy to have relationships with their daughters and granddaughters because they are working outside of the home. Or maybe young ladies don't want to make time for old fuddy duddy mom?
I think this is a reason, but different.
Instead of having a parental relationship with their kid, many mothers are choosing to have a friend relationship.
They want their child to "like" them, and they want to do "fun" stuff with their child all the time, and so avoid doing anything to make their children "unhappy" or "dislike" them.
So you get mothers obsessed with making sure their children are happy and pleased, and never actually play a "parent" role, of raising their child right.
My mother told me when I was 7 years old that she hated me, and not to call her mother anymore, because she wanted nothing to do with me. She told me she would feed and cloth me, because that's what God says when you birth a child, but only because she pushed me out.
Sometimes mothers are just harsh, usually taking the fact they have their own strained relationship with their mother, out on their child.
And with more and more broken families every day, it's a common sight.
I've sense forgiven my mother, and we have a better relationship, but she still isn't perfect, and I don't think she will ever be. And that's unfortunately something we have to deal with sometimes.
Who said men are completely blameless? However, I think you should start by cleaning your own room and dealing with your issue of this elephant in the room:
Good luck young one.
Oh I 100% did.
Who is to say I didn't?
I simply meant I came from a broken home just like many of these other women did.
The only difference, is I didn't follow in their footsteps.
this post carried on quite long already, but the way I was raised made me terrified to participate in anything sexual for a long time, and it might've helped me get through it all intact.
But for a long time I was weary about a God who would send me to hell for killing myself, if I was only doing it because of immense amount of pain and depression.
Once I started learning and re-learning that God was about love and compassion, many of my gripes melted away.
Do you know the true gospel?
I can show you the truth.
Lol blame your mom not women. This is gonna be gold
Having a loving mother is very important for people's growth.
They talk about lack of fathers, but a mother has an extremely large hand in how a child is raised.
Which is why men should not have children with women who don't share their views, 100%/
Ehh views are all stupid i think. Exterior gloss. People can disagree on this or that particular. Their experience of coercion and degree to which they are apologists of it is i think the actual unifying meme shared by romantic partners
Reduction. Women and men are to blame.
Sure but.neverthless a delicious morsel to have read hahah
You should read Andrea Dworkin. Your observations are basically totally true and you're wise to have accumulated them on your own in the wilderness.
Everything above is basically critical theory 2nd wave feminism and maybe it's confusing and vague to you because you're juuuuust brushing up against but not quite confronting the root of it all. That men empower each other to brutalize and kill the women who won't conform.
On the conservative side you have wannabe patriarch closet homo tough guys who advocate violence and intimidation to make "their" women conform to antiquated wife-worthiness standards. On the left you have men that use violence and intimidation to make women public property that they can sexually use without commitment. In both cases women are terrorized into conformity.
For real listen to some Andrea Dworkin or read some of her books. I recommend Woman Hating by AD for you as a start.
Dworkin is trash. This is an attempt to draw you back into the fold OP.
Lol this philly runs free. I invite her toward new horizons
I'll have to look into her, and not a surprise someone has written a book on this already. Thank you for the recommendation.
Unfortunately, yes this is something I've already come across, and if I was more articulated, and not all over the place, perhaps something I might have mentioned.
I've dated men on both sides of the aisle, and they each have their own ways of trying to get women to "conform", yes.
Even in their "passive" ways of shutting down women. (I remember one of my ex's refusing to continue any debate we had, if I asked a question he deemed "stupid". An example? Asking if Joe Arpaio was the guy questioning Obamas BC)
Buut, I didn't want to turn around and turn this into a "yes all men" type of thing (even if inadvertently), because I know a lot of men are facing issues that are causing their disenfranchisement, and attacks on their masculinity constantly.
But It's also difficult when I hear a lot of women hating constantly, when men have a lot of power in how they shape their world.
I guess I just take a step back and remember that a lot of this is just hurt people lashing out at other hurt people.
Exactly, true
She wrote several books and appeared through the 70s to 90s on different discussion panels. Some of them are on YouTube.
I have a soft spot for her bc she's a Jersey girl lol
The thing that made me love her was when she asserts that just as there is academic intelligence, scientific, kinesthetic, and emotional there is also sexual intelligence and that the sexual intellect concerns itself with questions of dominance and submission.
Maybe why everyone seems sex obsessed now, because we are so clearly and inescapably dominated to th point of surrender. It is a sexual dynamic.
How so?
Can we talk about women blaming men for everything? I’m tired of females thinking they’re the only people on this planet. Women control the world. Women are so fucking rude and unappreciative. They treat you like you’re their entertainment, and expect everything from you. Can we talk about the fact that anywhere from 2-10 percent of rapists in jail are innocent? Can we talk about how women sexualize themselves all the time? Women got this bad because they allowed themselves to. Do you think we can control your actions? Men are the ones getting blamed all the time. Men do not push women to sexualize themselves. Women do that. Women are the ones that are so obsessed with liberation. Even here you are blaming men for your problems. Fuck off, I’m tired of your shit. Men’s lives revolve around pleasing the women. Conservative or feminist.
And I would like discussions to be opened between those who think all women are horrible and it's all their fault, and those who don't.
Can you explain this?
Was it women who started the trend of getting knocked up, and having the father run off, as to not take responsibility?
I have several paragraphs dedicated, with a big part of it being men who seek these women out. Or try to over sexualize them themselves.
The same women that in private, admit to wanting a family and a be a stay at home trade wife, instead of the endless slave wages they've been turned into.
Just like it's constantly pounded into men's heads that they are all horrible people who are rapists and can't be trusted
It's pounded into womens heads that your only worth is your sex appeal, and or dedicating yourself to a career like a man.
Neither sex is being taught anything healthy, and are encouraged to go after each other.
I didn't mean to turn it around and make it "all men are bad", but men have a lot more power than they want to admit.
Well, that's what it sounds like. And if you open discussions like that, you'll drive off any man who's run into more than one feminist already.
You are experiencing the actual blowback of feminism, where men's stake in society has largely been outlawed and they're (many of them) beyond caring any more.
Today a poor woman will get more money by having 3 children from 3 fathers instead of 3 children from one father: it's just the way child support laws work- half the income and full discretion on how to spend from 3 different salaries vs the entire dedication from one who also has an opinion, enforced by police power. Welfare has a similar math. It's not pretty, but it's true.
Obviously there are natural differences, and variations among people and relationships, but those are the incentives enforced by government today. Nothing wrong with talking about it, but acknowledge the reality of facts against your narrative. Can men be better? Of course. Can women be better? Of course.
Be the best you can be, and find others who do the same.
Two things struck me about your post, OP:
Your command of English is well above average. (I do copy-editing; I notice such things.) You could write books and articles for a living.
How lucky I was to grow up with books to read and friends to play with outside. (No TV; no Internet.)
I don't have any comment on your subject matter; it's alien to me. I married my 2nd girlfriend at age 25. I'm still in touch with the first. She's twice divorced. She missed her chance. ;-)
Thank you, I have always wanted to get into writing articles.
My first post I ever wrote on Reddit was about GamerGate and my perspective on it as a woman. Hit front page and I was excited seeing everyone who agreed with me.
Never figured out the best way to apply my skills unfortunately, and I chalk that up to being a hermit 99% of the time.
I will say I am lucky that I was born into a large family. I'm the oldest of 9 and with my siblings, I never felt truly alone, like some people I knew did.
You're lucky to have found someone while young, it can take some people quite awhile to find the right person, or even figure out what the right person is for them.
Well, we (as spirits) all choose our life path before entering a physical body for "birth". The purpose is to learn and to love. But sometimes the chosen path has many twists and turns! In my case, all my hair fell out when I was about 45. That caused some stress initially but it caused a change of course. It made me stronger, braver and more open to challenges. Here's a tip: visualise what you want to achieve and where you want to be. Repeat each day. Believe that it will happen. Visualise the details.
My only disagreement with everything you said is, guys are not horny savages anymore.
We're chemically neutered now so you're dealing with impotent envious little gremlins posturing as horny savages. It's a male status thing. I find that most men are squeaking, little scared things who mostly hate and fear women. The man that loves and wants women for real is rare.
Then why are things like OnlyFans, cam whores, and porn thriving? Vr porn is a thing thats becoming more and more popular.
Maybe not savages, but men have been conditioned more than ever to masturbate and seek pleasure constantly.
If it's not young men, it's the older men prying on young girls. It's the celebrities going through their fans like it's nothing.
Yes there are a lot of weak men, who are afraid of women, but they are just another side of this sex obsessed coin.
Well in an institutional sense they are promoted from the top down because of psyops meant to fracture and diminish the dignity on which we build authentic culture, which threatens cabal hegemony.
From below the drueling masses buy in because they are cowed idiots who have no personality beyond the compulsions trained into them.
Im not saying that men aren't sex obsessed and perverted monsters. Im just saying it isnt from sexual appetite or libido anymore, it's just like socially conditioned status contests married to their dopamine fix.
I think it is pretty safe to say that most aggree with this statement. Women also have been hyper condition to be destructive to the nuclear family.
Ergo, the real discussion is WHO is conditioning both sexes to be so distructive to humanity And thus we find ourselfs HERE. On a Q board.
Toxic feminism, and toxic masculinity are both products of the push toward socialism. We all have much healing to do.
Sure, full agreement. But we have roadblock after roadblock here among our own people. They think if some pharisee takes the Lord's name in vain then their gay bashing and women hating control freak weird shit is righteous
Full agreement here as well. I often have to remind myself that most of these roadblocks have been programmed into us for the benifit of others over the generations. Patience is a virtue no matter what you believe.