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The Truth About Cryptocurrencies: A Clearheaded Guide to the Crypto World (www.expensivity.com)
posted 4 years ago by ashlanddog 4 years ago by ashlanddog +127 / -0
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– redtoe-skipper 14 points 4 years ago +14 / -0

Crypto coins are technically fiat currency, unless they are 1:1 backed by PM assets.

Every man woman and child could potentially create their own crypto currency based on their time. And those accepting it will have to deal with the risk involved, but on averaging out these risk, they are not higher but lower than Central Bank shit. Why? Because it is tied to production time. The other dimension is market value which rises and fall with what is produced and the value it has to society at large.

However, that would presuppose absolute transparency, and having all your personal data tied to your currency.

Since I am far removed from seeing this as a very desirable outcome of the migration process the elite wants us to be part of, I am not even going to support one move in that direction.

Quite the contrary. I would advice: analogize your life is the ticket.

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– Europeade 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

What? doesn't make any sense. Backed by PM? How does that even work? Hint: it doesn't.

You're conflating crypto with bitcoin that's one thing. The other thing is it's fine that people can create their own.

You know why? Free market. Accept what you will. Why should it be in the hands of banksters/money changers?

Have not met one that understands bitcoin deeply yet that's not a fan.

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– Europeade 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Try and read the Bitcoin Standard by Saifedean Ammous. It will change your mind.

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– Loyal2Liberty 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

I read the Bitcoin Standard when it first came out when it was heavily pushed and recommended by Bitcoin advocates. I was unconvinced then, and still am. There are far too many logical fallacies and false assumptions throughout it to make a compelling argument for me. I recommend anyone to read it, but to analyze it with a discerning mind.

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– redtoe-skipper 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

How does that even work? Hint: it doesn't.

Says who? You? Who are you? Why would your neo-pickety ideas be of any value? I used pickety because attaching keynes's name to what currently is promoted as the ultimate in economic theory is of such nature, in my view, is just an inappropriate superficial first glance appearance.

VOC-shares since 1608 appreciated in 130 years 8 fold, bringing prosperity to thousands and thousands of participants called shareholders. That particular freedom ended in 1770. First of, the costs of competition against the English involved in Opium-silver trade was impossible to beat. Second, the JEW practice of fractional Reserve banking.

That is why the Empire was broke in 1814. All the assets were taken in. The Silver standard absconded. The same thing happened in the US in 1871.

When you listen carefully you hear the playbook. Trinckets for real assets. I mentioned the opium silver trade. The reason for it' s lucrative nature was because in China taxes could only be paid in silver. Silver to gold ratio there was 1:5 instead of 1:15 in the West. So we have a State monopoly in China plus a state monopoly on trade by the English. First, goods went out from China, and Brit Silver came in, second phase: Opium came in, Silver went out.

Trinckets for hard assets.

Do I have to argue the case of the erosion of value? It is so easy to see. Large conflicts could only have been fought if not for the erosion of value: truth for false, right for privilege, real for fiction. And here is the kicker. This fiction, this " virtual reality" this augmentation is actually trying to sell you bull shit.

Here is virtual:

virtual (adj.) late 14c., "influencing by physical virtues or capabilities, effective with respect to inherent natural qualities," from Medieval Latin virtualis, from Latin virtus "excellence, potency, efficacy," literally "manliness, manhood" (see virtue). The meaning "being something in essence or effect, though not actually or in fact" is from mid-15c., probably via sense of "capable of producing a certain effect" (early 15c.). Computer sense of "not physically existing but made to appear by software" is attested from 1959.

Positions are inflated, money is inflated, Language is inflated, populations are inflated, self esteem is inflated. It is all artificial and without any virtue.

That is what crypto currency in essence is, unless it is pegged 1:1 to PM. This would work just like depositing PM in a bank, and taking out letters of credit, as a derivative, in several denominations.

I do agree it is quite a wonder that system lasted maybe at least 600 years or so. Why? Because the only full reserve bank during that time was the Amsterdam Exchange bank in Amsterdam.

The problem with creating your own crypto currency based on time is that eventually, most people react to pain, not smart ideas. People open themselves up to manipulation and enslavement that way. Consider the covid hoax. Your crypto currency only exchanges when you are vaxxed. (No thanks).

In Germany, from 1933 onward, such a time for money scheme was the basis on which full - employment was secured in 1937. The question is whether the people living there were actually free, or were bonded or maybe it was a mixed bag?

So, yes, I value what is real. Convenience is only a luxury, depending on circumstance.

It should then be treated as such.

Conflate crypto with bitcoin?

Excuse me, I did what? Where did I do that? You are bringing this up. I did not. As you will probably be astutely aware, the cryptoverse is rather diverse and I am talking two kinds. Those that are, and those that lack backing with PM.

Why should it be in the hands of banksters/money changers

I did not argue that point. Far from it. I think everyone should have by birth right seniority. It does not mean that everyone would mint it's own coin. Some coins are simply more appealing than others. So, over time, a certain amount of producers of coin will emerge by specialization. It also could be part of a regional pact between people to coin together under one banner. This happened quite a lot in the Republic of the 7 Provinces. Each city, each state had minting rights.

Have not met one that understands bitcoin deeply yet that's not a fan.

Nice claim, but this is a typical call to authority, and is rather destructive to your whole post.

What arguments did you actually give, as a sort of attempt at rebuttal? Call to authority x2; arguing points I did not make (red herring) x2.

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– anatidaephobia 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Every man woman and child could potentially create their own crypto currency based on their time.

Every man woman and child could write numbers on slips of paper. That doesn't mean these slips of paper will instantly have the same value as dollars in cash, or any value at all, unless of course people are willing to use those instead of dollars.

But why should they? If I write numbers on slips of paper would you give me dollars (cash) and gold in exchange for those papers? if not why?

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– redtoe-skipper 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

The solution is a basic value with added value due to certain factors of differentiation and specialization relating to field of profession, value assigned by customers, reputation, etc.

See for a partial example: https://citizensisland.com/

However, the problem is always: any coin used to purchase goods and services, also means those coins will come back to roost and requires units of production from the one having issued these.

And since all coins are pubic ledger, it is easy to track value of exchange.

With this in mind: every coin and every transaction in your own coin, requires the awareness of the production value you need to be ready to provide.

By making better purchase decisions, you can safe on your coins, and thus on the time you need to spent on providing the exchange value.

Someone who would safe your coins takes a gamble in both directions. You may either die young, and thus, leave those with the coin with zero value coin, or a lower or higher value depending on your circumstances. It also means that older people still have potential to make visible their value.

It would be nice to see a move from economical value of time to economical value of assets based coins. This way those holding coins of a deceased mat recuperate some of the value based on the value of the assets left behind by the deceased.

It makes solving bankruptcies a totally different ballgame.

Since everybody has skin in the game prudence is a value taught earlier than after 20 collapses. It also prevents centralization of economical power.

It could be argued that prospective parent should have at least a modicum of assets to support the value of the coin of their child.

It would also end the interest scam-system, as on your own time, there is no interest. You cannot inflate it just by multiplication on a whim. And value differences are always guided by a bell-curve over time, differentiation and specialization.

As you can see, I am not in favor of a all out fiat system, either centralized or decentralized. I' d rather see a very limited elasticity production/ assets based system.

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– anatidaephobia 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Sounds like the German Reichmark, which did work just as intended until the Churchill and his (((advisors))) got butt hurt and provoked one of the most pointless wars in history.

You're right, that would be a great monetary system. But unfortunately we live in a clown world, where we can't have such nice things.

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– redtoe-skipper 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

There are ways to not only escape clown-world, but to end it.

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– ashlanddog [S] 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

...compelling observations, nicely framed and stated....

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