Correct, and agreed, mostly. Guilty until proven innocent is not popular unless it applies to police, apparently?
I have known enough good cops to still give them the benefit of the doubt and still give them an innocent until proven guilty opinion.
My main and only point was that cop hate is so over the top stereotyped, it undermines any good ones and only self-perpetuates hate for people who in my experience do a lot of good doing a thankless job that many have the guts to complain about but not to step up to do anything about. (Not referring to you)
Well weve been in a fake pandemic for 2 years and i bet most of Ottawas cops have been enforcing the mandates and everything else this whole time.
I loved cops before covid, before I saw the police in my city break in to a pastors business, tresspass, arrest innocent people, tackle a kid for playing hockey, arrest a woman for not producing a medical exemption...
So is there no evidence to find them guilty? Following orders is not a defense, and if you work for a police force and aren't fighting everyday to actually try and uphold ypur oath, and get rid of these terrible mandates , then your a bad cop and youre almost certainly guilty of enforcing bs mandates and going against your oath.
Agreed mostly, but then you get into the (in-)defensible thought, do you quit out of principles and be done, or stay on principle and try to counter bad leadership from within?
Human nature is to make the best of bad situations. If your work is gonna make highly unethical decisions, how do you address that? Especially when you are trying to raise a family and are worried about your pension?
What if they are slightly in the gray of legality and you know, but others don't, or dont seem to care, are you gonna be the one to tell your boss or try to counter it with your actions?
There are a lot of people even on GAW who admittedly work for some highly questionable companies, but we encourage them to stick it out.
I'm not trying to defend bad cops so much as trying to illustrate Matthew 7:1 & 3.
Yeah you quit out of principles, thats what principles are, especially when you took an oath.
If the person wanted to stay to try and be a good cop the first order they were given that goes agasint their oath should be refused and if it leads to firing then so be it. This is a spiritusl battle, we must stick to our principles regardless of the physical consequences.
Its not anyone job to try and reform a corrupt institution from a low position within it, but its everyones duty to disobey unlawful mandates, it is not even a choice it is an obligation once you've taken an oath.
Theres a big difference betweeen becoming a public servant, taking an oath to protect the citizens, then going agasint that oath and working at a cabal owned corporation that isnt good.
No offense but i think you are looking at judging too broadly. I am not judging another Christians sins that I also commit, I am judging a person who has gone agaisnt the people they swore to protect. Matter 7:3 means you need to look at yourself first before you point out the sins of others, well im not a public servant. Jesus teaches directly in Matthew 18:15 that if your brother goes against you, you should confront them directly and privatly. So its not like the Bible condemns all kind of judging. I think the idea is that you shouldnt judge others for sinning as we are all guilty of sinning, and that if someone does somthing wrong you shouldnt lay them out publically to be hated by everyone.
Correct, and agreed, mostly. Guilty until proven innocent is not popular unless it applies to police, apparently?
I have known enough good cops to still give them the benefit of the doubt and still give them an innocent until proven guilty opinion.
My main and only point was that cop hate is so over the top stereotyped, it undermines any good ones and only self-perpetuates hate for people who in my experience do a lot of good doing a thankless job that many have the guts to complain about but not to step up to do anything about. (Not referring to you)
Well weve been in a fake pandemic for 2 years and i bet most of Ottawas cops have been enforcing the mandates and everything else this whole time.
I loved cops before covid, before I saw the police in my city break in to a pastors business, tresspass, arrest innocent people, tackle a kid for playing hockey, arrest a woman for not producing a medical exemption...
So is there no evidence to find them guilty? Following orders is not a defense, and if you work for a police force and aren't fighting everyday to actually try and uphold ypur oath, and get rid of these terrible mandates , then your a bad cop and youre almost certainly guilty of enforcing bs mandates and going against your oath.
Agreed mostly, but then you get into the (in-)defensible thought, do you quit out of principles and be done, or stay on principle and try to counter bad leadership from within?
Human nature is to make the best of bad situations. If your work is gonna make highly unethical decisions, how do you address that? Especially when you are trying to raise a family and are worried about your pension?
What if they are slightly in the gray of legality and you know, but others don't, or dont seem to care, are you gonna be the one to tell your boss or try to counter it with your actions?
There are a lot of people even on GAW who admittedly work for some highly questionable companies, but we encourage them to stick it out.
I'm not trying to defend bad cops so much as trying to illustrate Matthew 7:1 & 3.
Yeah you quit out of principles, thats what principles are, especially when you took an oath. If the person wanted to stay to try and be a good cop the first order they were given that goes agasint their oath should be refused and if it leads to firing then so be it. This is a spiritusl battle, we must stick to our principles regardless of the physical consequences.
Its not anyone job to try and reform a corrupt institution from a low position within it, but its everyones duty to disobey unlawful mandates, it is not even a choice it is an obligation once you've taken an oath.
Theres a big difference betweeen becoming a public servant, taking an oath to protect the citizens, then going agasint that oath and working at a cabal owned corporation that isnt good.
No offense but i think you are looking at judging too broadly. I am not judging another Christians sins that I also commit, I am judging a person who has gone agaisnt the people they swore to protect. Matter 7:3 means you need to look at yourself first before you point out the sins of others, well im not a public servant. Jesus teaches directly in Matthew 18:15 that if your brother goes against you, you should confront them directly and privatly. So its not like the Bible condemns all kind of judging. I think the idea is that you shouldnt judge others for sinning as we are all guilty of sinning, and that if someone does somthing wrong you shouldnt lay them out publically to be hated by everyone.