I would agree that right now, we actually don't know what is going on in Ukraine. It could very well be that there are no good players and everyone is just doing what suits them.

We may find out what this was about when the dust settles and we see what ended up getting accomplished.

My only concern is that a lot of people on this forum have blindly jumped on the Putin band wagon. It might be because they rightfully see how corrupt and controlled Ukraine is and they think that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. However, that adage does not always hold. The deep state is fully capable of controlling both sides and creating minor conflicts to distract us from what is really happening. All these republican Rinos are a good example of controlling both sides in a political system.

We should always be skeptical in every situation and event. Maybe Putin will end up doing some good in Ukraine and maybe it will push our cause forward. However, until we see concrete evidence of that, I would not take a side and continue to be skeptical personally.

It is also an interesting fact, that Putin has now taken territory under Obama and under Xiden (with Obama almost certainly in the background). Never took any territory under Trump. It makes you think, are they letting him do this. Maybe the deep state leaders are just weak, but with how crazy they are and how little they care for human life, I find it hard to believe that if they wanted to keep Ukraine intact for themselves, they wouldn't resort to insanely unethical measures to get their way. At face value, things don't entirely make sense. Likely means we don't have the whole picture.