IT'S SUNDAY THE 6TH OF MARCH 2022...AND WE'RE STILL BEING LIED TO
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In your last paragraph, you understand that voter ID means the same thing as a driver's license, passport, or worker visa right?
Those things ARE freely and widely available AND already distributed to all legal citizens. I don't think I've met a single legal minority adult who did not have a driver's license in this country.
To suggest that black people and Mexicans are intellectually incapable of acquiring these things themselves, IS the only genuine racist thing from this entire debate.
Well, in that case, that's a bad thing, because things like a driver's license and passport you have to pay for. You shouldn't have to pay for the ability to vote. I also know plenty of people without drivers licenses and/or passports, white and non-white.
You also seem to misunderstand my point. I'm not suggesting that anyone is intellectually incapable of acquiring these things. But there is a difference between knowing how to get something like this, and being able to.
Ludicrous argument sir! Now you are claiming minorities cant afford the 16$ cost for a drivers license? 😑
You know that you can also get a state ID for dirt cheap from the DMV? All you need is a copy of your birth certificate or social security card and 11$.
So once again, you are making asinine statements about how many minorities are incapable of acquiring such identification cards.
"there is a difference between knowing how to get something like this, and being able to".
The "being able to", part in the last sentence you wrote, relates directly to a person's level of competence.
So now you are saying that minorities might know HOW to acquire identification, but they simply may lack the competency to follow through with it 🤨
I'm not sure if you realize the implications of what you are saying. Competency usually involves intellectual understand of how to do something, AS WELL AS the ability to physically follow through.
So either you are saying minorities are physically handicapped or cannot access the DMV due to not having vehicles and being incapable of taking the bus or getting a ride, OR you are saying they are simply too lazy to follow through with getting there and filling out an application.
All of which are absurd, asinine propositions. As a minority myself, I am continuously appalled at hearing these outrageous justifications for why Voter ID requirements are unfair and a form of voter suppression towards minority groups.
I was 15 when I first obtained my driving permit (another form of identification) and i was 16 when i got my drivers license. I was raised by a single mother with 4 kids who made 24,000$ a year after taxes.
After my parents divorced when I was 12, my mother had to file for bankruptcy and we barely managed to keep our house. There were times when we had to choose between electricity and running water for a week or two while we waited for my mom's next paycheck.
And there were times when my mom would bring us a single 5$ pizza from little Ceasars, and I had to give up one of my slices so that my two little siblings could have more to eat and they wouldn't have to cry from being so hungry.
But when i began taking drivers Ed at 15 years old with a friend of mine in Dallas, TX, I had much more trouble with completing the payment plan for the entire drivers Ed course, than I did for the small fee to receive my actual laminated license.
You really need to stop with these asinine left wing talking points that claim that minorities are disadvantaged and unable to acquire proper identification. Because they simply are not true my man.
Well let's make one thing clear first of all, I'm only the messenger. I'm just explaining where the arguments come from. These aren't my points.
Not being able to get something doesn't necessarily have anything to do with competence or intelligence. A man won't be able to climb mount everest without rope. a mother taking care of her children won't always be able to get out of the house. Some people live far away, some people just don't need cars to get by day to day, so there's no need for them to have one.
Fact is with proposed voting laws there will be a portion of the population that currently cannot meet those requirements, and will need to take necessary steps to get there. Majority of those people are non-white, and it's adding unnecessary steps for them to get the documents in order to vote.
The main point is that voting shouldn't require ANY additional cost, whether it's $1 or $100. The fact that this cost, no matter how high or low, will be required for a section of the population which is majority non-white, is where the racism arguments come in.
Race aside, my stance is at the baseline that voting shouldn't require any additional cost, so as long as voter ID's were freely distributed, automatically to eligible and legal voters, then I would support voter ID laws. Based on what you're telling me, this doesn't seme to be the case
You are making taking the small cost for getting a drivers license, or state ID of any kind and conflating that as being the cost of voting, which is just unreasonable.
If you really want to get nitpicky like that, we can bring up implicit costs and opportunity costs too.
It takes time and energy to physically travel to voting stations to even cast your vote--an opportunity cost.
It might take some people 1.50$ in change to pay the bus fare to travel to the voting station and perhaps an hour of their time.
Meanwhile, others who may not have cars during election season (like myself at the time) may opt to pay for a 10$ uber to get to the polling station and get there in 12 minutes, because it's much faster.
Then there are those who did have vehicles at the time and would have gotten to the voting station in 6 minutes but in doing so, let's say they had to spend say 3$ worth of gas to get to and from the location.
Point being, is that life ALWAYS has costs for doing things. Whether it is an explicit financial cost, or if it's an implicit opportunity cost of time and energy.
And thus it is unrealistic to claim that voter ID requirements are injust because minorities take on a much bigger burden in acquiring identification than those middle class households for whom 15$ represents a much smaller fraction of their annual income.
It all comes down to how much it's worth to each individual to ensure they cast their vote.
Additionally of course, as pertaining to Identification, it is up to us as a collective to decide whether the costs associated with implementing this as a voter requirement, is worth being able to ensure our elections are more secure and fraudulent votes are much more difficult to be submitted.
If a minority person has somehow gone their entire adult lives somehow never acquiring a form of identification, and they claim they care enough about our country to vote, yet they genuinely feel the time and effort needed to travel to the nearest DMV, and pay the 15-20$ cost for acquiring a state ID, is too great of a cost for them to bear, then they likely do not actually care enough about our country to be voting anyway.
The barrier to entry for voting is so small. Anyone who actually cares about securing honest elections in this country would not be incentivized to sacrifice the security and integrity of our elections, in hopes of making the barrier to entry for voting even smaller than it already is.