Inconvenient facts about electric vehicles from a Tesla Owner (4chan copypasta)
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Source: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/366827832/inconvenient-facts-about-electric-vehicles-from-a
- They immediately lose 10% of their total battery capacity permanently. Google “tesla range loss” if you don’t believe me. Tesla warranty only covers more than 30% capacity loss up to 100k miles so the average 10% loss within the first year (I lost it within the first 3000 miles) is completely within spec.
- Cold weather destroys range. So if you live in the north expect to lose about 33% of your range on days the temp drops below 40 degrees.
- Driving faster than 60 to 65 mph destroys range. If you drive 80 mph expect to get about about 75 miles using 50% of your battery capacity. Get ready to be cursed regularly on the freeway if you drive 65 mph.
- You’re instructed to not charge it to more than 80% capacity or let it drop below 20% capacity or it damages the battery. So you really only have 60% of the capacity to work with.
- Real world range is 66% of whatever the battery shows. If my battery says I have 198 miles to 0% that means I have 132 real miles.
- Supercharging is 90% as expensive as gasoline and damages your battery and takes more than an hour.
- Anything that heats up the battery is bad for its health. Ie supercharging, parking the car in the sun, doing multiple fast launches.
So take my “long range” tesla which has 330 miles range new. It lost more 10% of that range within 2 months of ownership and now shows 290 miles range at 100% charge. Furthermore I’m not supposed to charge it to 100% or let it drop below 20% so my range is now 60% of 290 miles so something like 180 miles. Also real world mileage is 2/3 of that range so I only get something like 120 miles usable range which means I can’t drive further than 60 to 75 miles away from home.
Although these points are mostly true, it's definitely without context. I've beaten my range limit several times in spring and summer, and I've also seen low range in winter. This is because it takes energy to heat the cabin. I've seen the range loss due to battery age, but it also levels off. I've only used supercharging when needed on a super long road trip, and we didn't need to sit for an hour, because we didn't charge from 0 to full. It has a charging curve, we usually get from 20 to 80 percent charge by the time we hit the bathroom and back. This charge cost us around $7 Canadian. I've often driven the 400kms to visit my parents, in Winter, -30C, using the supercharger as stated. Sometimes my daughter wants a smoothie near another supercharger, so when we stop to buy that, i charge a bit more so we can then speed a bit for that last section.... again in -30C.
Our 3 is 4 years old. I still love it. We daily it, in a canadian prairie, in all seasons. Did Tesla explain how to best care for the battery and what range loss is all about? No, and fuck them for that. But my local service guy and I talked about it and now I have a better understanding. Tesla should make an effort, but in reality their customer service is horrible. It gets better every year, but they rely on word of mouth and the community of owners too much. That worked well when there were so few, but now they are mainstream, and they have a long way to go.
So if you haven't heard, and want to know, here's how to get the best performance from your Tasks battery, in terms of range and capacity:
Unlike your phone or other chargeables, you can set your charge limit and even charging times with the Tesla, to optimize capacity over time. Staying between 20 and 80-90 percent day to day has shown to result in better capacity long term. Teslafi.com is a service that can track your battery performance and will show you how you compare to the rest of the fleet.
Charging to 100 percent from home does no damage, provided you don't have the battery sit at 100 percent for long. We charge to 100 percent while loading up for trips, then we leave. Simple process. You can start and stop charging like this easily from the phone app.
Running the car down below 10 percent can cause damage if it's done frequently and it's allowed to sit at that level. We usually see this only in long trips, when we plug is once we arrive. Fpr these long trips, therfore, we access all 100% of the range with no damage, as we follow the procedures listed above. Simple process again.
Supercharging frequently can cause capacity loss especially when pushing amps hard in the 80 to 90 percent and above range. So, on long trips, the car can use its navigation and tell you when you have all the charge you need, helping you to know if you really need to wait for that last 10 percent or not. And the first 10% / list 20% charge takes as long as the middle 70%, so it's also a waste of time if you don't need it. Simple process once you know it. If you do need superchargers frequently and want to control those sessions, you can also specify a max amperage.
The car is most efficient when little energy is used for hvac, there is little wind resistance, and little rolling resistance. You can very easily add hundreds of kilometers of range (+50 to 100%) by driving in Spring or Fall at 50 to 80kph around town, with few or gentle starts. The ideal trip would be a slow moving highway, with a constant speed, in moderate weather. You can also lose 40 to 60 percent range driving 120kph in winter (-10 to -30C) with winter tires on. This is why the heat pump upgrade made waves in the Tesla community. For mild winters, say down to -15C, the heat pump drastically reduces hvac usage, and associated range loss. Further improvements are needed though as it can't function on long trips below -20C. They are constantly innovating and I would expect the heat pump to get improvements within the year.
There is another type of range loss in the cold, this is where the battery is too cold to deliver full power. It can lose around 5 to 20 percent this way. But it's a problem that can be managed. As mentioned, you can control the charging time. So if you set the car to be conditioned and ready to leave when you plan to leave, the car will charge the battery to finish at that time. Since charging warms the battery, it will be ready with full access to the warm capacity, and the car will also have preheated the cabin. After driving for a couple hours in severe cold below -15C, the car motor and inverter may not be generating enough heat to keep the battery warm and some range may start to drop. If you are heading to a supercharger, enter that in the navigation and the car will create excess motor heat and use it to warm the battery as you drive. This uses a bit more energy, but saves more than it uses. For the last leg of the trip, you can set a nearby supercharger to your destination in navigation to get the car to warm the battery, and simply turn off navigation once you get close enough to your destination, say the last 50kms.
As for the capacity loss, it took about 2 years for ours to drop, and it was a gradual affair over that time. It has now settled to a 9% loss after 4.5 years / 56,000kms. Nobody told me about this, so fuck you Tesla. However now that I know, it's not "immediate", and makes no difference how I use the car.
As for heat causing damage, I'm in the cold end of the spectrum, but from what I've seen on TeslaFi, most users are in near my same range loss.....range. When left plugged in, the car heats or cools the battery as needed. I don't think that idea has much credence, likely only if the car is abused? Even then, TESLA leaves cars in their lots for weeks in the California heat before being transported, with no issues. I haven't seen any evidence that this claim of battery damage is true.
So yeah, there's a good bit of information buyers should know that Tesla doesn't make sure to put on blast, relying on the community and after sales service teams to answer. Fuck Tesla for that. But it's really not the clusterfuck that this post makes it out to be.
"...I only get something like 120 miles usable range which means I can’t drive further than 60 to 75 miles away from home.
Stop trying to justify this nonsense.
I don't know what you read, but I read the account of someone who owns a Tesla. This was way more interesting the 4chan post, because it was clearly written by someone who doesn't have a chip on their shoulder, and who had a different experience.
Their post has actually swayed me towards buying a Tesla, because I can combine it with solar and pay almost nothing for transportation after the initial cost. My house will always have solar, but I cannot drill for oil in my backyard, so I will be less dependent on external factors for my transportation.
"Clearly written by someone who's already financially invested in their Tesla having been a good purchase"*
There, I fixed it for you. I advise you to Google "sunk cost fallacy", and then if you still want to, go buy yourself a Tesla.
And while you're at it, go look up reviews for the vaccine by people who have been vaccinated. They'll give you all kinds of positive first hand experiences with how much the vaccine helped them beat Covid.
I can tell you have fantastic reading comprehension and a healthy skepticism of your own opinions. Keep it up! You're going far with that attitude.
Sounds horrible
Wow crazy. I just drive a gas car and have no problems.