Point taken. And I understand being offended vs being offensive. I personally share your view and feel that much of these things we worry about (symbols & gestures) are impotent without the necessary intent. I think perhaps what people aren't articulating is that Islam (whether hijacked or not) is a religion with barbaric behaviors. Not used to be...but currently IS. I hear that argument all the time...more people have been killed in the name of Christianity blah blah blah...but that is a 'was', not an 'is', speaking in terms of the church, not individual crazies.
Since we expect to not be associated with wrong actions of past church transgressions we should extend the same to Islam. The problem is...the relative silence of the muslim communities in response to the horrors a faction of it commits this very day. Yeah, we hear the random cleric condemn things when a major event happens, but it doesn't seem like the religion as a whole is fighting the association.
And THAT is what I think is the problem. Blasting out their call to prayer is like boasting that they oppress, stone and behead in the name of that god they're praying to in a country of 'infidels' that has given them a haven.
Wrong again, Wormtongue. There is no relationship WHATEVER between the pagan idol known as 'allah' and the only Living God known to us by the name: "Lord Jesus".
Christ Jesus is the very living WORD of God. Second person of the Triune and Living God; begotten of The Father; begotten - not made. And 'allah' (recycled from it's ancient Beelzebub past by Mohammed and his thieving companions) was 'made up' by the original muslim slaves and is in no way related to Christ our Lord. No, it's NOT "the same God"
Let me encourage you to get to KNOW the Living God in Christ Jesus our Savior. He could use some clever people such as yourself to help Him build His coming Kingdom. You could make yourself useful. LOL!
How many Muslims do you talk to In a normal day? How many have you asked their opinions on the violence others in their religion in other parts of the world commit? Regular people are condemning it every day, though I feel like many people in this forum are so full of disgust at the thought of Muslims that they would never be able to get through a normal, unoffending conversation with a Muslim. The fact is that the violence perpetrated by Muslim individuals in the name of Islam is a small minority compared to the world.
Would you deny Christ and stop being a Christian if Christians in Indonesia (just an example) started committing terrorist acts against others? Would you stop your daily worship routine, stop going to church? People aren't going to abandon the tradition of their religions because a minority are committing violence in it's name, as I assume you would not stop worshiping Jesus if the situation were reversed. You don't want to be known for the transgressions committed by Christians, and you should extend the same courtesy to your Muslim brothers and sisters.
Wow, that was totally uncalled for and an illustration of having read my comment with predisposed eyes. Your accusations veiled in questions have nothing to do with what I said and are in fact inflammatory assumptions quite the opposite of what I said.
Try reading it again after you've gotten off of your self righteous, rather unchristian, judgmental lecture.
#1 - you've gotten it all wrong. #2 - you've chosen an apt user name. #3 - having read through your previous comments in order to gauge if I might be misreading the tone of response ...you might become the first person I ever block.
Point taken. And I understand being offended vs being offensive. I personally share your view and feel that much of these things we worry about (symbols & gestures) are impotent without the necessary intent. I think perhaps what people aren't articulating is that Islam (whether hijacked or not) is a religion with barbaric behaviors. Not used to be...but currently IS. I hear that argument all the time...more people have been killed in the name of Christianity blah blah blah...but that is a 'was', not an 'is', speaking in terms of the church, not individual crazies.
Since we expect to not be associated with wrong actions of past church transgressions we should extend the same to Islam. The problem is...the relative silence of the muslim communities in response to the horrors a faction of it commits this very day. Yeah, we hear the random cleric condemn things when a major event happens, but it doesn't seem like the religion as a whole is fighting the association.
And THAT is what I think is the problem. Blasting out their call to prayer is like boasting that they oppress, stone and behead in the name of that god they're praying to in a country of 'infidels' that has given them a haven.
Sure, just know that it's the same God, the God of Abraham, same as yours and mine. Allah, Yahweh, tomato, tomahto.
Wrong again, Wormtongue. There is no relationship WHATEVER between the pagan idol known as 'allah' and the only Living God known to us by the name: "Lord Jesus".
Christ Jesus is the very living WORD of God. Second person of the Triune and Living God; begotten of The Father; begotten - not made. And 'allah' (recycled from it's ancient Beelzebub past by Mohammed and his thieving companions) was 'made up' by the original muslim slaves and is in no way related to Christ our Lord. No, it's NOT "the same God"
Let me encourage you to get to KNOW the Living God in Christ Jesus our Savior. He could use some clever people such as yourself to help Him build His coming Kingdom. You could make yourself useful. LOL!
I am aware.
How many Muslims do you talk to In a normal day? How many have you asked their opinions on the violence others in their religion in other parts of the world commit? Regular people are condemning it every day, though I feel like many people in this forum are so full of disgust at the thought of Muslims that they would never be able to get through a normal, unoffending conversation with a Muslim. The fact is that the violence perpetrated by Muslim individuals in the name of Islam is a small minority compared to the world.
Would you deny Christ and stop being a Christian if Christians in Indonesia (just an example) started committing terrorist acts against others? Would you stop your daily worship routine, stop going to church? People aren't going to abandon the tradition of their religions because a minority are committing violence in it's name, as I assume you would not stop worshiping Jesus if the situation were reversed. You don't want to be known for the transgressions committed by Christians, and you should extend the same courtesy to your Muslim brothers and sisters.
Wow, that was totally uncalled for and an illustration of having read my comment with predisposed eyes. Your accusations veiled in questions have nothing to do with what I said and are in fact inflammatory assumptions quite the opposite of what I said.
Try reading it again after you've gotten off of your self righteous, rather unchristian, judgmental lecture.
#1 - you've gotten it all wrong. #2 - you've chosen an apt user name. #3 - having read through your previous comments in order to gauge if I might be misreading the tone of response ...you might become the first person I ever block.