If someone were to plant a landmines in several dozen locations around a battlefield, wouldn't it be the best case scenario for the soldiers if they can catch him and get him to point out where every landmine he planted was?
Only the one who committed the crimes can tell you what crimes he committed and where. The worst-case scenario is killing the kidnapper and not knowing where the kidnapped person is.
People don't understand forgiveness. Forgiveness is essential to growth.
It is foolish not to forgive, because you prohibit your own growth. You plant a stake in the ground of your soul saying "I will not".
It's Pride preventing someone from moving on and forgiving. The other person may have asked for forgiveness, yet you hold it away from them. Why? What does it benefit you? Is it only so the offender may grovel and writhe in agony that they have not been relieved of their guilt?
Does it make you the better man to lord that over their heads, forever keeping them in anguish? Is it an honest thing to do? Is it a productive thing to do?
Man can be bound in both body and soul. Consequence is about the body. Forgiveness is all about the soul. While the body can be punished by the Law of Cause and Effect, the soul is immortal and cares not for the befores and the afters. The soul is instead bound by guilt.
The body MUST be punished, as the Effect must suit the Cause -- that is God's Law. That is the operant of the Lord's Will.
The soul, however, can close itself off from guilt, and feel nothing except anger and fury over the body, IT'S BODY, being bound for a time. One such as this has no hope, but one that does feel the pangs of guilt has hope.
I wish that no one bears the torment of guilt. It is a sour and crippling thing, far more than the body would ever be able to endure. Should someone ask me for forgiveness, I shall give it freely, because their soul is far more valuable to me than my body. The same should be true for them.
Forgive their soul, punish the body. This is in keeping with God's Law.
This is a hard Truth. This is The Truth. This is the Fruit from Passion of our Lord. That the body bear the burdens of this world so that the soul may soar weightless and without limits.
hmmmm. i had a lengthy response and then accidentally deleted the whole thing.
Suffice it to say that righteous anger, imho, has it's place. I believe the story of the unforgiving servant is about holding others to the same standard.
God does not forgive those who violate his laws and show no contrition.
God does not ask more of us than of himself and does not expect us to be omniscient (know truly another man's heart).
can't find the other reply I started.... but yes, I see the context in which you wrote it.... and he simply cannot fix everything he broke.
is it right and proper to let him live out his life in a prison? idk really. the conditions of the prison may be relevant? the children who's lives he's ruined, his role in bringing down western civ through his dirty dealings.... what is pragmatic is not always moral.
the transactional exchange may be worth executing.... that is, this is the horror if you don't tell us (slow painful end in general pop) or this is the less horrific end if you do tell us.
His punishment for eternity is between him and God, his punishment here is between him and society. Sociopaths only understand pain. Other sociopaths must know that crimes like his do not result in life in prison unless it is very uncomfortable.
i am picky about words and really the "fix everything he broke" just hit me wrong. I appreciate your thoughtful posts-- always trigger more thought and consideration of the topic.
With all due respect sleepydude, he CANNOT fix everything he broke. Think about it.
What he can fix, he should be allowed to.
God will take care of the rest.
If someone were to plant a landmines in several dozen locations around a battlefield, wouldn't it be the best case scenario for the soldiers if they can catch him and get him to point out where every landmine he planted was?
Only the one who committed the crimes can tell you what crimes he committed and where. The worst-case scenario is killing the kidnapper and not knowing where the kidnapped person is.
perhaps we are talking about two different things.
Forgiveness is not the same as letting someone live or working in cooperation.
People don't understand forgiveness. Forgiveness is essential to growth.
It is foolish not to forgive, because you prohibit your own growth. You plant a stake in the ground of your soul saying "I will not".
It's Pride preventing someone from moving on and forgiving. The other person may have asked for forgiveness, yet you hold it away from them. Why? What does it benefit you? Is it only so the offender may grovel and writhe in agony that they have not been relieved of their guilt?
Does it make you the better man to lord that over their heads, forever keeping them in anguish? Is it an honest thing to do? Is it a productive thing to do?
Man can be bound in both body and soul. Consequence is about the body. Forgiveness is all about the soul. While the body can be punished by the Law of Cause and Effect, the soul is immortal and cares not for the befores and the afters. The soul is instead bound by guilt.
The body MUST be punished, as the Effect must suit the Cause -- that is God's Law. That is the operant of the Lord's Will.
The soul, however, can close itself off from guilt, and feel nothing except anger and fury over the body, IT'S BODY, being bound for a time. One such as this has no hope, but one that does feel the pangs of guilt has hope.
I wish that no one bears the torment of guilt. It is a sour and crippling thing, far more than the body would ever be able to endure. Should someone ask me for forgiveness, I shall give it freely, because their soul is far more valuable to me than my body. The same should be true for them.
Forgive their soul, punish the body. This is in keeping with God's Law.
This is a hard Truth. This is The Truth. This is the Fruit from Passion of our Lord. That the body bear the burdens of this world so that the soul may soar weightless and without limits.
hmmmm. i had a lengthy response and then accidentally deleted the whole thing.
Suffice it to say that righteous anger, imho, has it's place. I believe the story of the unforgiving servant is about holding others to the same standard.
God does not forgive those who violate his laws and show no contrition.
God does not ask more of us than of himself and does not expect us to be omniscient (know truly another man's heart).
edit: and what is the role of moral outrage?
can't find the other reply I started.... but yes, I see the context in which you wrote it.... and he simply cannot fix everything he broke.
is it right and proper to let him live out his life in a prison? idk really. the conditions of the prison may be relevant? the children who's lives he's ruined, his role in bringing down western civ through his dirty dealings.... what is pragmatic is not always moral.
the transactional exchange may be worth executing.... that is, this is the horror if you don't tell us (slow painful end in general pop) or this is the less horrific end if you do tell us.
His punishment for eternity is between him and God, his punishment here is between him and society. Sociopaths only understand pain. Other sociopaths must know that crimes like his do not result in life in prison unless it is very uncomfortable.
i am picky about words and really the "fix everything he broke" just hit me wrong. I appreciate your thoughtful posts-- always trigger more thought and consideration of the topic.