Well, it's true that the sun could move around a flat disc to produce a similar result.
But the sun's "solar exposure pattern" on the surface of the planet would need to be EXACTLY the same pattern we would expect to see on a rotating planet revolving around the sun.
Because while you can explain away the effect as an illusion created by a moving sun, it's significantly more challenging for you to explain why the sun moves just a little bit each day in a way that we can calculate and measure, and which would be 100% predictable based on the heliocentric model of the solar system.
Because it would imply that God makes the sun move this way just to trick scientists into thinking the earth is round. For some reason. And if that's the case, it's hard to blame scientists for getting the data wrong when God Himself is the prankster.
Also, direct observation is only useful when it includes enough of the context to make such an observation. The fact that you are very small on a very large planet means you can't actually perceive the amount of information by yourself to decide whether or not you're moving. Because you're moving right along with it.
It's the same way on the interstate. When you're driving next to another car on the interstate, you appear to not be moving as long as you don't take into account the outside environment. But once you do, you can see that you're moving.
Since you can't see beyond this planet or even the entirety of the planet, your direct observations simply don't make for empirical data on this particular problem.
At the end of the day, though, I'm not a physicist or a science educator. It's doubtful I'd be able to convince you, nor is it really of interest to me to convince you. It doesn't really harm either of us for you to believe in a flat earth, at least until one of us eventually has to deal with the embarrassment of being wrong at whatever great reckoning awaits us all.
I don’t believe in a flat earth. You believe in a round earth, although you haven’t any proof. I used to believe that too. Now I recognize that satanic Jews run the world and using free masonry have given us a cosmological model that is likely as fake as everything else they give us (money, media, politics, etc). If something cannot be demonstrated, then it is believed in with faith. Saying we are too small to determine the physical state of our existence isn’t really an argument in favor of anything. Go ahead & demonstrate the curvature you claim is there. Go ahead and demonstrate the movements you claim are there. You can’t. Nobody can, and it has to be explained using theory. “Oh its because it’s relative to the size or relative to the speed.” Except NASA of course. They can show you pictures of the roundness. But none of those are real, and it’s easy to prove that. So it’s your choice whether to believe a bunch of Freemasons or not. Makes little difference to me. Perhaps Lord Stephen Christ was right about it being concave. Who knows. What I know is we aren’t given the truth, that’s for sure.
If something cannot be demonstrated, then it is believed in with faith.
That's true. But the problem here isn't that something isn't being demonstrated. It's that you don't believe the data from the demonstrations is real. Those two problems shouldn't be conflated.
But I understand what you're saying, and once a person decides that the only things they can believe are what they see with their own eyes, there's not much I can do to talk them out of it.
And not much interest on my part in doing so, as I said.
So no big deal. If you feel you are able to more accurately predict scientific phenomena relevant to you than scientists can, then there's no real need for us to agree on the issue. You seem to be doing fine believing what you do so far, and I definitely am, so flat earth really isn't an issue I'm too passionate about.
Beyond understanding how you're arriving at the conclusion, that is. Which you've helped me with. I appreciate it.
“Trust the science” from a supposed Qanon moderator. Kek. If the data was irrefutable, there’d be no flat earthers. You obviously can’t tell when you’re being lied to. What was Einstein’s response to Michelson Morley experiment? Oy vey it’s all relative!
Well, it's true that the sun could move around a flat disc to produce a similar result.
But the sun's "solar exposure pattern" on the surface of the planet would need to be EXACTLY the same pattern we would expect to see on a rotating planet revolving around the sun.
Because while you can explain away the effect as an illusion created by a moving sun, it's significantly more challenging for you to explain why the sun moves just a little bit each day in a way that we can calculate and measure, and which would be 100% predictable based on the heliocentric model of the solar system.
Because it would imply that God makes the sun move this way just to trick scientists into thinking the earth is round. For some reason. And if that's the case, it's hard to blame scientists for getting the data wrong when God Himself is the prankster.
Also, direct observation is only useful when it includes enough of the context to make such an observation. The fact that you are very small on a very large planet means you can't actually perceive the amount of information by yourself to decide whether or not you're moving. Because you're moving right along with it.
It's the same way on the interstate. When you're driving next to another car on the interstate, you appear to not be moving as long as you don't take into account the outside environment. But once you do, you can see that you're moving.
Since you can't see beyond this planet or even the entirety of the planet, your direct observations simply don't make for empirical data on this particular problem.
At the end of the day, though, I'm not a physicist or a science educator. It's doubtful I'd be able to convince you, nor is it really of interest to me to convince you. It doesn't really harm either of us for you to believe in a flat earth, at least until one of us eventually has to deal with the embarrassment of being wrong at whatever great reckoning awaits us all.
I don’t believe in a flat earth. You believe in a round earth, although you haven’t any proof. I used to believe that too. Now I recognize that satanic Jews run the world and using free masonry have given us a cosmological model that is likely as fake as everything else they give us (money, media, politics, etc). If something cannot be demonstrated, then it is believed in with faith. Saying we are too small to determine the physical state of our existence isn’t really an argument in favor of anything. Go ahead & demonstrate the curvature you claim is there. Go ahead and demonstrate the movements you claim are there. You can’t. Nobody can, and it has to be explained using theory. “Oh its because it’s relative to the size or relative to the speed.” Except NASA of course. They can show you pictures of the roundness. But none of those are real, and it’s easy to prove that. So it’s your choice whether to believe a bunch of Freemasons or not. Makes little difference to me. Perhaps Lord Stephen Christ was right about it being concave. Who knows. What I know is we aren’t given the truth, that’s for sure.
That's true. But the problem here isn't that something isn't being demonstrated. It's that you don't believe the data from the demonstrations is real. Those two problems shouldn't be conflated.
But I understand what you're saying, and once a person decides that the only things they can believe are what they see with their own eyes, there's not much I can do to talk them out of it.
And not much interest on my part in doing so, as I said.
So no big deal. If you feel you are able to more accurately predict scientific phenomena relevant to you than scientists can, then there's no real need for us to agree on the issue. You seem to be doing fine believing what you do so far, and I definitely am, so flat earth really isn't an issue I'm too passionate about.
Beyond understanding how you're arriving at the conclusion, that is. Which you've helped me with. I appreciate it.
“Trust the science” from a supposed Qanon moderator. Kek. If the data was irrefutable, there’d be no flat earthers. You obviously can’t tell when you’re being lied to. What was Einstein’s response to Michelson Morley experiment? Oy vey it’s all relative!
I am not a moderator of this site. Common mistake.
A less common mistake is a Q supporter referring to the movement as "QAnon" around here...