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BREAKING: Archbishop Viganò calls for “official investigation” to “shed light on the abdication of Benedict XVI” and the Fraud Conclave of 2013 -- FRANCIS IS NOT THE POPE, HE IS A MASONIC JUDAS ANTI-POPE INFILTRAITOR (nonvenipacem.com)
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– Datasinc 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Nobody follows Luther. That's soooo intellectually dishonest and a straw-man fallacy.

He publicly questioned un-Biblical things the Catholic church was doing and helped kick off the Protestant reformation. None of the points he made point back to himself and no one needs to subscribe to all of his beliefs or absolute shortcomings as a man to accept the arguments he made. You argument is like saying we should dismiss the good teachings of MLK cause he cheated on his wife.

Not sure why folks are quick to dismiss 2,000 of Christian civilization & tradition

That's easy.... I'll quote Jesus for the answer: “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition"

The Word of God should go before any man-mad tradition or teaching. Full-stop.

Without Luther's action we wouldn't have the 5 sola's

The five solas are five Latin phrases popularized during the Protestant Reformation that emphasized the distinctions between the early Reformers and the Roman Catholic Church. The word sola is the Latin word for “only” and was used in relation to five key teachings that defined the biblical pleas of Protestants. They are:

  1. Sola scriptura: “Scripture alone”
  2. Sola fide: “faith alone”
  3. Sola gratia: “grace alone”
  4. Solo Christo: “Christ alone”
  5. Soli Deo gloria: “to the glory of God alone”

Each of these solas can be seen both as a corrective to the excesses of the Roman Catholic Church at the start of the Reformation and as a positive biblical declaration.

Sola scriptura emphasizes the Bible alone as the source of authority for Christians. By saying, “Scripture alone,” the Reformers rejected both the divine authority of the Roman Catholic Pope and confidence in sacred tradition. Only the Bible was “inspired by God” (2 Peter 1:20-21) and “God-breathed” (2 Timothy 3:16-17). Anything taught by the Pope or in tradition that contradicted the Bible was to be rejected. Sola scriptura also fueled the translation of the Bible into German, French, English, and other languages, and prompted Bible teaching in the common languages of the day, rather than in Latin.

Sola fide emphasizes salvation as a free gift. The Roman Catholic Church of the time emphasized the use of indulgences (donating money) to buy status with God. Good works, including baptism, were seen as required for salvation. Sola fide stated that salvation is a free gift to all who accept it by faith (John 3:16). Salvation is not based on human effort or good deeds (Ephesians 2:9).

Sola gratia emphasizes grace as the reason for our salvation. In other words, salvation comes from what God has done rather than what we do. Ephesians 2:8-9 teaches, “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

Solo Christo (sometimes listed as Solus Christus, “through Christ alone”) emphasizes the role of Jesus in salvation. The Roman Catholic tradition had placed church leaders such as priests in the role of intercessor between the laity and God. Reformers emphasized Jesus’ role as our “high priest” who intercedes on our behalf before the Father. Hebrews 4:15 teaches, “For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.” Jesus is the One who offers access to God, not a human spiritual leader.

Soli Deo gloria emphasizes the glory of God as the goal of life. Rather than striving to please church leaders, keep a list of rules, or guard our own interests, our goal is to glorify the Lord. The idea of soli Deo gloria is found in 1 Corinthians 10:31: “So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.”

The five solas of the Protestant Reformation offered a strong corrective to the faulty practices and beliefs of the time, and they remain relevant today. We are called to focus on Scripture, accept salvation by grace through faith, magnify Christ, and live for God’s glory.

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– Dues_vult 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

History doesn’t lie. Christianity, prior to the heretical Reformation movement was a lot more cohesive. There were Catholics & there were Orthodox.

Luther came along & shit the bed. He attempted to remove Seven books of the Bible, all in the Old Testament, are accepted by Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, but are not accepted by Jews or Protestants. These include 1 and 2 Maccabees, Judith, Tobit, Baruch, Sirach, and Wisdom, and additions to the books of Esther and Daniel. that are not included in the Protestant version of the Old Testament. These books are referred to as the deuterocanonical books. Luther made an attempt to remove the books of Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the canon (notably, he perceived them to go against certain Protestant doctrines such as sola gratia and sola fide). Yes, Luther made his OWN religion. Who was Luther to be an authority on editing the Bible? A man that belonged the the Rosicrucian secret society. A man that has lead millions of souls to hell, including himself, in my opinion.

This is MY opinion. There are millions of opinions out there… if you get all bent out of shape because of MY opinion, perhaps your faith isn’t as strong as you think it is.

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– Datasinc 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

History doesn't lie as one of the funniest things I've heard in a while. Could you say it again please?

And then tell me about the indulgences the Catholic church was selling at the time of the Reformation. You know licenses to go send and show me where that is in Scripture.

You're basically taking the position that God is a powerful enough to convey his word throughout history. Your position also ignores much of scripture.

Different shoes like the pope? Are they made out of human flesh as well? It's a tradition right?

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– Dues_vult 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I’ll respond to you, as soon as you tell me what happened to Christianity between the 3rd Century when Emperor Constantine converted & 1517 when Martin Luther proposed his new religion. Did Christianity not exist?

Follow up question: how do you feel about the fact that Martin Luther took it upon himself to attempt to remove seven books from the Old & new Testament.

Let’s hear it.

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– Datasinc 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

You'll respond after I address another straw-man fallacy? What new religion? It was reforming one that had strayed from God's word.

Then you keep bringing up every action of Luther as if that was the argument. I've already addressed this. Stop being intellectually dishonest. Luther isn't a saint or deity. God's word is the standard, not any man. Super simple stuff.

So you first.

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– Dues_vult 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I find the Freemasonic Pope’s red shoes disgusting. That & the snake auditorium built in the 70’s is equally disturbing.

We get all this weirdness when Masons infiltrated the institution back in the 1960’s.

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– Datasinc 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

There were issues long before that.

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