As much as our government has been infiltrated by the enemy, so has the church. Maybe even moreso.
This is a dangerous doctrine. IT IS NOT FROM SCRIPTURE.
I do realize some big lofty names in the bible scholar community are big time rapturists. Moody - for example. But I've been on a quest for a week or so to find anyone of them making solid arguments with actual scriptural foundation to support the dubious claims of the rapture doctrine - and they just simply cannot support it in the scripture.
If you want me to explain further I'll be happy to. But what you should do is go to the bible and find where it makes any claim that Christians will be removed from earth BEFORE or in the middle of the tribulations described in prophecy.
The oft cited verses in Mathew are literally right after Jesus warns you not to be deceived and explains how not to be deceived by knowing the signs of the season of His return. In Luke he even says that "two men will be lying in one bed, one will be taken the other left behind." I don't know why there are two dudes in one bed but I want the rapturist to question why someone sleeping in bed would be raptured (I notice many claiming that you must be alert and watching at the special time).
In Thesolonians 4: Paul clearly teaches that the dead in Christ will be resurrected before the beloved verse about we who are alive at the time going to meet Jesus in the air. I don't have a problem with that - just don't misunderstand that the dead in Christ go "FIRST".
In Rev 20 - Jesus gives us more clarity and explains that in the "First resurrection" people who refused the mark of the beast unto death would rise in that "First resurrection" too.
The rapture doctrine is dangerous for our generation. We appear to be appointed for this time, please do not be deceived.
Interesting question for the "to the Jews" crew:
Is dismissal of Jesus' plain words with "for the Jews" an admission that Jesus was clearly saying "post trib" if it WASN'T to the Jews? I think they should admit that before running away from the Matt. 24
Also, that day...Jesus had been speaking to "the Jews" ALL DAY. Why wait until he was back with His disciples who already followed Him?
Like any doctrine of demons, this boils down to "Ye shall NOT surely die!"...it denies Gods clearly-spoken words. But doesn't have the balls to frontally attack Jesus words as not true. It deflects by denying the intended audience.
Your take on this is excellent.
looking at this debate I must say, the vast acceptance of this doctrine is scary. There will be mass confusion in the wilderness.
Thank you. Mighty kind words from the guy I've watched carry the ball in this thread. Lifelong Baptist, so I have decades of theological error (re: eschatology) to make up for.
The Holy Spirit can erase whatever you think you lack and lead you to scriptural truth. I'm talking about my own literal answered prayers - and it wasn't about end times, it was about the jab mandates. But through that, I'm just following the path set before me.