IN THE SKY ON GOOD FRIDAY !!!
I was driving so my little girl took the photo.
God is on time, every time. †
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I know. The mention of the cross however was introduced by Constantine and consequently, the Latin versions included the cross which did not come from the Greek versions.
What would Constantine have to gain by such a technicality?
The argument wasn't whether or not Constantine gained anything. The argument was if the cross was an original Christian symbol or introduced later by people who had nothing to do with the time of Christ and subsequently his death.
That the use of the cross was introduced as an addition by Constantine, a Roman emperor who saw it in a dream. This is the argument.
Now the cross itself is a pagan symbol. So a Pagan man, Constantine, introduced a pagan symbol in the midst of battle and associates it with Christianity.
This is a fact that people need to realize. The original Greek describes a stake and not a cross.
You got the definition from Biblehub where they describe "an upright stake, hence a cross". That's not even close to what an upright stake means lol. The Original Greek is stake. Not a cross.
The problem here is that there is no evidence Jesus died on a cross. Not according to the original language.
Of course the cross was pagan! Who is arguing that? The pagan Romans crucified Christ with their most-cruel method they had, and they had plenty of cruel methods. incidentally, if a Roman citizen was sentenced to death, he could not be crucified. You do realize Constantine converted to Christianity, right? Yes, and Thayer’s definition includes “cross”. You’re stuck on being contrary for the sake of being contrary, a pointless point.
But that's not the definition. Just cause his definition includes it doesn't mean it is one. And what do I care of Constantine converted? The argument is whether or not Jesus died on a cross and if the symbolism had anything to do with Jesus' death, and Christianity or if it's made up.
The evidence points to it being made up. I'm not "stuck" on anything. Either something happened or it didn't. And if that particular event didn't happen as modern bibles suggest, then the symbol of Christ on a cross is false.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon STRONGS NT 4716: σταυρός
σταυρός, σταυροῦ, ὁ (from ἵστημι (root sta); cf. Latinstauro, English staff (see Skeat, Etymological Dictionary, under the word); Curtius, § 216; Vanicek, p. 1126);
an upright stake, especially a pointed one (Homer, Herodotus, Thucydides, Xenophon).
a cross;
a. the well-known instrument of most cruel and ignominious punishment, borrowed by the Greeks and Romans from the Phoenicians; to it were affixed among the Romans, down to the time of Constantine the Great, the guiltiest criminals, particularly the basest slaves, robbers, the authors and abetters of insurrections, and occasionally in the provinces, at the arbitrary pleasure of the governors, upright and peaceable men also, and even Roman citizens themselves; cf. Winers RWB, under the word Kreuzigung; Merz in Herzog edition 1 ((cf. Schaff-Herzog) also Schultze in Herzog edition 2), under the word Kreuz; Keim, iii., p. 409ff. (English translation, vi. 138; BB. DD., see under the words, Cross, Crucifixion; O. Zöckler, Das Kreuz Christi (Gütersloh, 1875); English translation, Lond. 1878; Fulda, Das Kreuz u. d. Kreuzigung (Bresl. 1878); Edersheim, Jesus the Messiah, ii. 582ff). This horrible punishment the innocent Jesus also suffered: Matthew 27:32, 40, 42; Mark 15:21, 30, 32; Luke 23:26; John 19:17, 19, 25, 31; Colossians 2:14; Hebrews 12:2; θάνατος σταυροῦ, Philippians 2:8; τό αἷμα τοῦ σταυροῦ, blood shed on the cross; Colossians 1:20.
b. equivalent to the crucifixion which Christ underwent: Galatians 5:11 (on which see σκάνδαλον, under the end); Ephesians 2:16; with the addition of τοῦ Χριστοῦ, 1 Corinthians 1:17; the saving power of his crucifixion, Philippians 3:18 (on which see ἐχθρός, at the end); Galatians 6:14; τῷ σταυρῷ τοῦ Χριστοῦ διώκεσθαι, to encounter persecution on account of one's avowed belief in the saving efficacy of Christ's crucifixion, Galatians 6:12; ὁ λόγος ὁ τοῦ σταυροῦ, the doctrine concerning the saving power of the death on the cross endured by Christ, 1 Corinthians 1:18. The judicial usage which compelled those condemned to crucifixion themselves to carry the cross to the place of punishment (Plutarch, de sara numinis vindict. c. 9; Artemidorus Daldianus, oneir. 2, 56, cf. John 19:17), gave rise to the proverbial expression αἴρειν or λαμβάνειν or βαστάζειν τόν σταυρόν αὐτοῦ, which was usually used by those who, on behalf of God's cause, do not hesitate cheerfully and manfully to bear persecutions, troubles, distresses — thus recalling the fate of Christ and the spirit in which he encountered it (cf. Bleek, Synop. Erkl. der drei ersten Evangg. i, p. 439f): Matthew 10:38; Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Mark 10:21 (R L in brackets); ; Luke 9:23; Luke 14:27.