Who else should be added to this list? (This was chrono. Not based on badassedness.)
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I love the help on this topic, but you have a few key things so jacked up it hurts to read.
Abolitionists were not abortionists. Nothing in common. Abolitionists wanted to end slavery, and had a thing about states rights vs. Federal.
The big issue of the whole war was states rights. One of the big reasons the South hated the north was two fold. Abolitionists wanted to free slaves, which they believed abborhant, yet no one wanted them to migrate to the north because of prejudice. South wanted the cheap labor, as it was a cheap, effective way to keep profit on the tobacco and cotton crops they relied on.
There were many instances where southerners also believed slavery was wrong, but saw no solution that wouldn't crash their economy.
The north played a vindictive, shortsighted game to pressure the south by driving textile prices down while also seemingly taking the moral high ground on slavery. They offered no real alternative that didnt end up ruining the south, at least in the eyes of the cotton farmers..
Read period letters from before CW started, check the newspapers, read the Lincoln letters.
Abe was a fantastic president that the early cabal undermined. He was plagued with the worst generals, bad advisors, and few supporters of note.
Abe's whole presidency was the preservation of the Union at all costs, otherwise it would be the end of them.
France, England and Spain were all still buttsore from 1776, and more than anything would love to see a divided nation they could start slicing up, retaking their colonies. Lincoln believed, for better or worse, two nations would not be strong enough to fend off invasion, least considering the North and Souths interdependence of economy.
Each side found allies from the old world.
Abe made a deal with the federalist to suspend states rights to prevent secession and call it a rebellion. Invented a bunch of taxes to support saving the union, then was assassinated before he could repeal them (he always intended to remove them and give states back their power.)
Abes flaw in perfect hindsight was to overstep federal power to save the union, which only condemned it to what we have now. So yes, you are correct that the South was right for that part.
However, neither side had what you would call the moral high ground. Both had broken views and both were at fault. There was no good side bad side during that war.
I know there are holes/gaps in this, but history is too long to flesh out in one comment.
Wasn't really comparing abortion to slavery in that kind of terms. More that it was THE hot button issue of the day where everyone took the moral high ground. Which is rather funny when you consider what I said about the north having slavery in all but name in their factories. Because as I said, paying someone a dollar a month, if that, while forcing them to live in inhumane living conditions while working 20 hour days 7 days a week is SOOOOO much better than actual slavery. At least the slaves actually were taken care of in most cases since they were viewed the same as livestock, and how many farmers are going to beat their mule or horse to death?
It's even more accurate to compare them when you consider that and look at all of these deranged leftists that claim the moral high ground on things like gun control, war, etc. because people lose their lives, but then turn around and demand their "right" to kill babies.
Thanks for the clarification. 😀👍
I kinda wondered if that was what you were doing, just seemed an odd thing, glad to hear.
Agreed. Black folk in general were treated almost worse in some cases because of how they were viewed in the north, correct.
Interesting historical side note, among other minorities, the Irish, Italian and Chinese imigrants in some cases were treated even worse, and were denied work where blacks were allowed. Discrimination was and is not the sole dominion of the African American.
Documented cases of 5 year Olds working in factories fixing machinery as they were the only ones who would fit in tight spaces.
If something jammed, send in the kid, and it's their fault for losing a hand when it started up again, they should have gotten out of the way quicker when it fired up.
In some unsubstantiated letters, unfortunate worker child bodies were left in the gearworks until next shutdown so as to not stop production.
Oh I'm fully aware of all that. It's one of the reasons I can't stand hearing about black people whining about racism and slavery. Irish and Italians had it just as bad, if not worse in most cases up until around WW II. Heck, on the census Irish and Italians had their own designation for several decades since they were considered "lesser whites".
And don't even get me started on the kids. As I said, the Civil War/Industrial revolution North were essentially what the left is now. A bunch of virtue signaling hypocrites who wanted to claim the moral and ethical high ground on everything without offering any solutions while ignoring any kind of travesty that didn't fit their world view.
Agreed. Bad shape at the time. Hate that we've regressed back into that in the public forum. Goes to show we never got rid of that crap.
I didn notice the irony that we are now more like the confederates this time around....less the slavery and discrimination. We're actually the inclusive, more accepting side by a LOT.