Flat Earthers logic... Actually saw this, today. 🙄
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So we are taught. However, if the world were flat and stationary (as the bible clearly describes it) this would, of course, be both impossible and untrue.
Actually, no. Coriolis is a psuedoforce, an illusion caused by differing frames of reference! It is woefully taught, as I learned the same thing you are saying too.
The things you are talking about are examples of ACTUAL force caused by the presumed rotation of the world and are not in any way the coriolis effect.
I have no credentials. I didn’t just throw them in the trash - I set them on fire too!
My point was that WE (you and I) do not do these things, nor observe these things. We see them on television/screens, and nowhere else. If you believe everything you see on tv, you have major problems! I expect you agree with that?!
No, we aren’t in the sky like the luminaries are! We are on earth! The planets are wandering stars, not rodenberrian places to “land”. Rocks don’t perpetually float above our heads and never fall - that’s stupid!
True. I know too much about them, and their half lives. Facts are merely what your authority tells you.
Science, demonstration (qed), and the best ways to determine reality from fiction as independent researchers and students! If you are into that sort of thing, that is!
I completely agree! Have you seen the documentary “the principle” (2014, I believe)? It may be an interesting place to begin!
The equtorial bulge is not something we are "taught"; it is something that can be measured. It also affects the precession of satellite orbits. As a result of all this observation, the world is not flat and stationary.
The Coriolis acceleration isn't an illusion. It causes real deflections. Our sense of balance is affected. Calling it a "pseudoforce" is your gaffe. I referred to it as an acceleration, which it is. I suspect you don't know the difference between forces and accelerations. If you did, you wouldn't have attempted to skirt the point by calling it a pseudoforce. The Coriolis acceleration only arises with rotating bodies, so your point is not valid.
You have no scientific credentials. You wear your ignorance proudly on your sleeve. I suspected as much.
I didn't learn any of this from TV screens. Did you? Or do you subscribe to the radical paranoid view that nothing can be trusted? If that is the case, how can you possibly trust the Bible? (What you are leaving out of consideration is that if any of this is false, it would show up rapidly as a collision of engineering theory and engineering fact. It doesn't.)
I guess you don't understand any astronomy, either. The Moon is a rock (as established by samples taken) and it surely orbits us indefinitely. So also the planets, all in motion about the Sun according to Newton's laws (don't carp about small deviations). We have repeatedly landed probes on the Moon, Mars, and Venus. Men have visited the Moon. We are a planet and the people on the opposite side of the Earth have their heads pointing in the opposite direction from ours. They see different constellations, depending on whether they are in the northern or southern hemispheres. Impossible for a flat Earth. (The whole day-night cycle is impossible for a flat Earth.)
Facts are put to the test in all of our technology, which would not work if there were any gap between theory and reality. It is not only a matter of learning. It is a matter of constantly putting it to the test. I doubt you understand this, since it does not occur to you. What I am saying is consistent with the world as we see and experience it. What you are saying has no material foundation at all.
You are not even in the 16th century, when Magellan circumnavigated the globe. You are not even in the 2nd century BC when Eratosthenes estimated the diameter of the Earth. You are missing out on a lot, because most of modern technology relies on principles and facts that you reject out of hand.
No, there is little for us to discuss. You have nothing to overturn what we have known now for centuries, and put to the test repeatedly. You simply know nothing about the tests. You are very hard down on a paranoid delusion that all of this is a fable or a fake.
Of course it is! I think you mean to say it is not just something we are taught and not something we are taught with no justification / supporting evidence.
If it were real, I agree it could (and must) be!
I prefer to keep the conversation a bit more “down to earth”, and avoid such abject appeals to authority (as an independent researcher and student). Surely we need not appeal to satellite orbits to measure this supposed bulge - right?
That largely has to do with interpretation of the observations, not the observations themselves! Though I am not certain of the entire shape of the world, I have concluded (based on said observations) that it is both not spherical the way we are taught, and it is (largely) stationary.
The coriolis effect does not involve any actual acceleration of any kind (except that of, at least, one of the reference frames of course). It is to do with differing reference frames. I encourage you to read about it, though there is a lot of conflation of the two things out there (as I said, it is woefully taught). Actual deflection caused by acceleration due to actual rotation is just that (in physics)! Coriolis is the illusion thereof due to differing reference frame!
True!
True! As we all should! How else will others know of our ignorance and be able to share their knowledge to help dispel us of it (ideally) ?!
Lol. I largely side with the spooks; “Trust, but verify!”. The burden to thoroughly validate all information before accepting it as correct/true always falls on the student! Sadly conditioning through rote under the guise of education from childhood is not conducive to recognizing that!
I trust no book (nor any source) blindly, nor should I! However, I have found truth within it, as well as many lies. As I said - trust (if you wish), but verify! The scriptures are to be tried as a blacksmith tries gold.
Quite the opposite! I have (and do) consider it a great deal! It will take little more than time and your interest to understand why, and what I mean. There is no conflict, inherent or otherwise - there merely appears to be due to your perspective (a “coriolis effect” of concept, if you will)
Many flat earth researchers, such as myself, were/are lovers of science. I have a keen interest in astronomy and understand it pretty well. I also had a keen interest in theosophy, and the contradictions between the two disciplines! Before you can understand why I make these wildly heretical statements, we will need to discuss what science is (in order to discern what is and is not science) - assuming you are interested in learning more about my perspective.
This is a common misconception. I look forward to discussing other alternatives that you have likely not considered/encountered before, assuming you are interested!
There is always gap between those two things and often that gap is very large. We don’t have to understand or be correct about our understanding in order to build and/or do things! Someone once told me “It is the function that matters”. The pudding is tasty even (and perhaps especially!) when we don’t understand the steps we take to make it.
I could not have said it better myself!
I assure you, it is quite the opposite. But it will take time and your interest in order to convey why/how that is!
You misunderstand me! Partially this is encouraged by the flat earth psyop and its useful idiots. They often loudly reject science to encourage you to mistakenly believe that all who study this subject, or conclude “heretical” things, must do the same. As I said, it is quite the opposite!
If you insist, however from my perspective our discussion is large, varied, and just beginning!
I understand why you feel this way, but you are not describing/criticizing my perspective but a strawman of it of your imagination. To learn my perspective will merely take your time and interest! Assuming you are interested, we have much to talk about!
Be happy with your delusion, but all you have done is display an arch attitude and made unsubstantiated claims, with no offering of alternatives. You haven't given me a single reason to stop and listen, much less ask questions. This is the universal trait of Flat Earthers---they simply cannot identify a crucial fact that supports their position. And they deny all the facts that make their position impossible (like the observation of the "largely spherical" Earth from outer space). I am not interested in discourse with dishonest people.
I think I’ve been quite cordial! What is an “arch attitude”?
Just let me know what claim you need substantiation of and/or alternative to and I’m happy to oblige if I can! Ask and ye shall receive!
Nor do I intend to! If you want to know, you’ll ask (and/or earnestly and considerately read what I write; “listen” as you said) ! If you are happy to continue not knowing - you won’t. Simple! I can’t force you to learn about other perspectives and I wouldn’t even if I could!
Firstly, there really aren’t any flat earthers outside of the psyop and the useful idiots that fall for it. In any case, I’m a flat earth researcher - we study the psyop and related topics.
Secondly, what is a “crucial fact”? Can you provide an example?
If it were YOUR observation it might be worth discussing, but personally I am more of a science lover. In science we don’t simply observe and declare, we measure and experiment! And as independent researchers/students we should never rely on unvalidated and unvalidateable claims for evidence (aka abject appeal to authority). There are very good reasons for keeping our discussion “down to earth” - the chief one being that the world, who’s shape we are discussing, is down here!
Me neither! However, I have given you no reason to suspect dishonesty (and if I have, please cite a specific lie/falshood so I can meaningfully respond). I work very hard to be earnest and honest, and effective communication is very difficult and takes significant effort from all participants! Try not to rush to judgement if you can!