No grace was or even could be given until Jesus Christ shed His blood on the cross. If this is not true, then why did Jesus Christ even have to die?
Sin is knowledge. The law was not given (another completely different dispensation) until Moses received it. Adam was dead to sin long before that (under the dispensation of conscious, they knew they were naked.)
No grace was or even could be given until Jesus Christ shed His blood on the cross. If this is not true, then why did Jesus Christ even have to die?
How did Noah find grace in the eyes of the Lord then?
Hebrews 9:22-28
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Hebrews 9 breaks down the old covenant and the new covenant. It's where we get the name New Testament, in fact. I posted just the above passage, but you can check it out in its entirety here-
The book of Hebrews is written to the Jews, telling them that the plan of salvation has been changed. Verse 22 is the Old Covenant, the blood of the sacrificed animal was offered as atonement for their sins. Verse 28 is explaining to them that the blood of Christ has been given as atonement for all of the world's sins. He's trying to save the unbelievers among them.
This proves two separate dispensations, does it not? The blood of an animal saves no one in this age, but it did before. And it was required.
I use the Millennial to prove the point. It is more than clear that flesh survives the tribulations and passes into the Millennium. How can their salvation be based on faith in Christ alone when He is standing in front of them with His rod of iron? This would mean that all people in the Millennium are saved because they can see Him and would believe. But this isn't so, after satan is loosed from the pit, he gathers an army for the final battle.
Salvation in the Millennium is based on works alone. They are required to come to the temple and worship. They must eat from the tree of life, church age saints have the life in them.
The law was not given (another completely different dispensation) until Moses received it.
Not so.
Genesis 26:4-5
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
The law wasn't written in stone by the finger of God until Moses, but the law existed before then.
Exodus 15:25-26
25 And he cried unto the Lord; and the Lord shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,
26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth thee.
These commandments and statutes are mentioned before Moses ascended Mt. Sinai and was given the tablets of stone.
Exodus 31:12-18
12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
The law of conscious. Under an unconditional covenant, given because Abraham showed faith. The written law was under another covenant, which was conditional based on obeying.
You're not addressing the fact grace existed long before the so-called "Dispensation of Grace."
The written law was under another covenant, which was conditional based on obeying.
The commandments are still valid to this day.
Do you believe they are no longer to be followed simply because they can't save you if you break a single one, and we're all sinners?
Or are we supposed to develop a relationship with Yashua, and write the commandments on our hearts, and love one another and love our Creator and His Son?
Are we supposed to confess our sins when we fall short, and get back up and try again?
Works can't save us, but that doesn't mean we have a license to sin.
You're not addressing the fact grace existed long before the so-called "Dispensation of Grace."
I am saying that grace was given by a different dispensation.
The commandments are still valid to this day.
You are told not to observe the Sabbath, which is Saturday, because it is a ceremony commanded only to the Jew (Romans 13:8-10.)
Works can't save us, but that doesn't mean we have a license to sin.
All of your sins are forgiven by the blood atonement of Christ, if you accept it as payment for your sins. With this confession, you are sealed unto God by the Holy Spirit, who guides your living and steers you onto the path of righteousness. No true believer desires to sin, but does occasionally fail. Their conscious is convicted by the Spirit and they correct themselves.
This is not true until after Pentecost. Acts chapter 2. Christ ascends, the Spirit is poured out, fulfilling the prophecy of Joel. Change in dispensation. The age of grace ends when the Holy Spirit is "taken out" with the church He gathered. And then salvation returns to faith and works (don't worship the image, take the mark, etc.) This is because God's plan, dispensation, returns to the restoration of Israel (the earthly Kingdom.)
No grace was or even could be given until Jesus Christ shed His blood on the cross. If this is not true, then why did Jesus Christ even have to die?
Sin is knowledge. The law was not given (another completely different dispensation) until Moses received it. Adam was dead to sin long before that (under the dispensation of conscious, they knew they were naked.)
How did Noah find grace in the eyes of the Lord then?
Hebrews 9:22-28
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Hebrews 9 breaks down the old covenant and the new covenant. It's where we get the name New Testament, in fact. I posted just the above passage, but you can check it out in its entirety here-
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews%209&version=KJV
The book of Hebrews is written to the Jews, telling them that the plan of salvation has been changed. Verse 22 is the Old Covenant, the blood of the sacrificed animal was offered as atonement for their sins. Verse 28 is explaining to them that the blood of Christ has been given as atonement for all of the world's sins. He's trying to save the unbelievers among them.
This proves two separate dispensations, does it not? The blood of an animal saves no one in this age, but it did before. And it was required.
I use the Millennial to prove the point. It is more than clear that flesh survives the tribulations and passes into the Millennium. How can their salvation be based on faith in Christ alone when He is standing in front of them with His rod of iron? This would mean that all people in the Millennium are saved because they can see Him and would believe. But this isn't so, after satan is loosed from the pit, he gathers an army for the final battle.
Salvation in the Millennium is based on works alone. They are required to come to the temple and worship. They must eat from the tree of life, church age saints have the life in them.
Not so.
Genesis 26:4-5
4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
The law wasn't written in stone by the finger of God until Moses, but the law existed before then.
Exodus 15:25-26
25 And he cried unto the Lord; and the Lord shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,
26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth thee.
These commandments and statutes are mentioned before Moses ascended Mt. Sinai and was given the tablets of stone.
Exodus 31:12-18
12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deuteronomy 30
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
The law of conscious. Under an unconditional covenant, given because Abraham showed faith. The written law was under another covenant, which was conditional based on obeying.
You're not addressing the fact grace existed long before the so-called "Dispensation of Grace."
The commandments are still valid to this day.
Do you believe they are no longer to be followed simply because they can't save you if you break a single one, and we're all sinners?
Or are we supposed to develop a relationship with Yashua, and write the commandments on our hearts, and love one another and love our Creator and His Son?
Are we supposed to confess our sins when we fall short, and get back up and try again?
Works can't save us, but that doesn't mean we have a license to sin.
You're not addressing the fact grace existed long before the so-called "Dispensation of Grace."
I am saying that grace was given by a different dispensation.
The commandments are still valid to this day.
You are told not to observe the Sabbath, which is Saturday, because it is a ceremony commanded only to the Jew (Romans 13:8-10.)
Works can't save us, but that doesn't mean we have a license to sin.
All of your sins are forgiven by the blood atonement of Christ, if you accept it as payment for your sins. With this confession, you are sealed unto God by the Holy Spirit, who guides your living and steers you onto the path of righteousness. No true believer desires to sin, but does occasionally fail. Their conscious is convicted by the Spirit and they correct themselves.
This is not true until after Pentecost. Acts chapter 2. Christ ascends, the Spirit is poured out, fulfilling the prophecy of Joel. Change in dispensation. The age of grace ends when the Holy Spirit is "taken out" with the church He gathered. And then salvation returns to faith and works (don't worship the image, take the mark, etc.) This is because God's plan, dispensation, returns to the restoration of Israel (the earthly Kingdom.)