You're really good at telling other people what they think and how they feel. "Muh rage" is laughable and my eyes are wide open. And while I did misread that one precise word in your post it hardly changes my point. You've constructed and phrased your claim in such a way that it can't be disproved without going out and probing dozens of MAGA women for their thoughts on abortion. You've simply claimed they exist and used their claimed existence to push your point, as if it even matters what a minority of people think in regards to protecting the life of the unborn.

Now it seems you're misreading what I'm saying. Read the whole sentence. You said people don't find that sufficient, I'm saying they do. Not that you don't. Again, I've read exactly what you've said save for one word as previously explained.

It's not "tribalism", it's understanding that murder is wrong and shouldn't be up to a state to decide to make it legal or not. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Every child has an inherent right to life. Killing them deprives them of this. No state, doctor, or person has the right to do this. It only looks like "tribalism" because one side has been brainwashed into a belief that babies can be discarded on a whim. They've moved so far away from reason on the topic that the reasonable people can't discuss the intricacies of what the rules should be without some crazy coming in and screeching that there shouldn't be any rules at all.

You said "Just like owning guns, couples will find ways around the law to get abortions.". Usually people say this as a reason why making the thing illegal is pointless. The logical extreme of this is to make nothing illegal. Now, I'd certainly agree guns shouldn't be made illegal and that one of the reasons is that it won't stop anyone from getting guns, but that's certainly not the primary reason. In the case of abortion it's much closer to (read: the same as) murder. It doesn't matter that people are still going to do it, it should be illegal. But maybe none of this was your intention, maybe you were just pointing out this reality as if people don't already understand this being that it's simple logic and observation of reality. In that case you do you I guess and I suppose I was incorrect on my interpretation there as well. But you also aren't telling anyone anything they didn't already know.

And it sounded to me that "For the record, I dont want any babies dying, but I know thats unfortunately not realistic." meant that you'd agree in an ideal world that abortion would never happen/be illegal. We obviously don't live in an ideal world but that doesn't mean we can't move to try and make it a better place and protect the lives of everyone, including the unborn. This is why I thought your reasoning sounded defeatist. Like "oh this is bad/wrong/shouldn't happen but what can we do".

Finally, there is no acceptable time to murder an unborn baby. And before you proclaim tribalism again, I'd point out that it seems the majority of people DO support abortion to a limited degree. Every conservative voice I listen(ed) to that lead me to where I am now would agree there should be cases where it's allowed. Yet I don't. I don't because I came to my own conclusion, not because of tribalism. I disagree with a large part of "my tribe" on this topic it seems.