"Just as in Revelation 14:8 we read, in connection with Mystery Babylon, of "the wrath of her fornication," the Greek word for "wrath" here, as mentioned previously, is thumos meaning, according to Strong’s Concordance, "breathing hard, passion." That certainly sheds light upon the expression "the wrath of her fornication," for there is no "wrath" suggested in the act of fornication. A man and woman who are having a fling, or a prostitute who has been paid for her services, do not engage in wrath — rage, violence, revenge, vengeance, punishment — while they are fornicating! Oh, no! But they certainly are in the fever heat of passion! Thus, the passage should read, "…she made all nations to drink of the passion of her fornication" rather than "the wrath of her fornication." This fact alone should settle once and for all the real meaning of the Greek word thumos. So it is clear that God’s "wrath." as revealed in the book of Revelation, has to do with His passion, or feeling very strongly about something. It is illuminating that in Revelation 14:10 we find that God’s disobedient children, who ignore the wooing of His Spirit and resist His hand of dealing, are made to drink "the wine of the passion of God." Anyone knows that wine inflames the passions, but does not generally invoke wrath. Can we not see by this that God’s wrath or passion is not that which is vindictive and vengeful, but rather that which is impassioned, fervent, zealous, enlivened, glowing, vigorous, intense, burning, determined, and dynamic!"
Much more in the link:
Revelation 20 KJV 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The lake of God’s fire is aother good study, it's a purifying fire, it is at work in the children of God, "our God is a cosuming fire", Jesus baptizes us with spirit and fire, embrace the work of the fire of God in you, it's purifying, burning away sin and error.
The people of God are refined by "fire", the very next verse in this study shows the refining fire in the people of God, making it a sea of glass............peace, here's the text:
"And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God" (Rev. 15:2).
"Early in his visions, when John beheld the unveiling of Christ — Christ the Head and Christ the body — he also saw "a throne set in heaven" with God’s Christ upon the throne. It is then that we read, "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal…" (Rev. 4:6). Ezekiel, in the first chapter of his book, speaks of seeing the color of the "terrible crystal" or in contemporary English the "awesome, shining, dazzling crystal." Crystal is pure glass. When you hold it up to the light and look at it you see the colors of the rainbow and the reflections of beauty out of the purity of the crystal. This is the purity of the walk of one who has been cleansed by the refining fire of God! How can one describe such purity, such holiness, in words? Ah, the wisdom of God is revealed from heaven in the vision shown to John — a sea of glass mingled with fire! It is a sea, John beholds them, not as many, but as one; as a sea of glass mingled with fire, as thousands upon thousands of grains of sand that have been melted and molded together into a substance of transparency. These are they that have come through the furnace of afflictions, tried as by fire, and they are filled with the divine Love of God and with the Holy Ghost and Fire. How better could one express the spiritual reality of a cleansed, sanctified, transformed life!"
Much more in the link:
https://www.godfire.net/eby/rev174.html
2 Peter 2 KJV
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)
9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
If folks are throwing stones, you might want to pay attention :)
"God has a passion to make right what is wrong, to cleanse and restore His people and creation, like any father who wants his son to grow straight and strong. He has a passion, therefore He will spare nothing, not even the rod, to accomplish His great purpose. The wrath of God is the wrath of a Father and in His wrath He remembers mercy! His purpose in wrath is always corrective and redemptive!"
"When these seven "last plagues" have gone, there will not be any more flesh, carnality, or selfhood dominating in any of the Lord’s people. This will ultimately be true for all men everywhere, as we see at the conclusion of the Revelation, but here it refers to the people of God who are still immature children and who are enslaved in the carnal religious systems of man. There is the same truth as it pertains to the individual — that is, each one of us in our journey into God. The unproductive human identity — the flesh with its sinful disposition, the soul with its religious inclination, the carnal mind with its humanistic reasoning, planning, and scheming — all must suffer the seven plagues! Make no mistake about it — God will touch everything in the lives of His people! That is the final outcome of redemption, for He has redeemed us unto Himself and for His pleasure and purpose! Consider the following order of symbols used in the pouring out of the vials. They are poured out upon:"
"1. The Earth. (soulical religious realm)
The Sea. (body, sensual realm, fleshly passions, wicked works, ungodliness)
The Rivers and Fountains of Water. (sources of ideas, concepts, culture, teachings, philosophies, doctrines, traditions, customs, carnal knowledge, worldly wisdom, the sources from which carnal men draw their life, their natural joy and refreshment, all that gives vitality to the programs of men. "Rivers" suggest the flow of these ideas as they are taught, propagated, and promoted by human institutions and instrumentalities of all kinds)
The Sun. (the external light of the old heavens and earth — laws, rules, commandments, authorities, hierarchies, dominions of the old world of man — religion, science, business, finance, etc.)
The Seat of the Beast. (human heart, deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, out of which all evil emanates — also the corrupt seat of spiritual wickedness)
The Great River Euphrates. (the power that keeps God’s people enslaved in religious Babylon. The Euphrates River stands symbolically for the separation between the kingdom of religious Babylon and our promised land of inheritance in Christ.
The Air. (the atmosphere created by man’s programs, promotions, and works — realms of understanding, feeling, sentiment, emotion, especially religious)"
"However, as the love of God does not cancel out His wrath, so His wrath does not cancel out His love! Every parent who has ever disciplined a child understands this! Wrath and love work together to correct what is wrong and make it right. Strictly speaking, the wrath of God and His love are not equally eternal attributes of God. God IS love, the scripture testifies, but nowhere does it infer that God IS wrath! You do not see in any listing of God’s attributes that wrath is included. Neither is wrath listed as one of the fruits of the Spirit. When sin and error are finished in God’s universe His wrath will end, but His love will abide eternally upon all His creatures and upon all the works of His hands. God reacts to sin by wrath — stern measures of discipline and correction. The wrath really is the love of God in reverse! According to the Word of God His wrath is but for a moment — but His love is unending! In wrath God remembers mercy — because GOD IS LOVE!"
This is the most, if not the only, reassuring interpretation of Revelation I ever read.
Start from the first essay, you'll have a revival! I did.
Index:
https://www.godfire.net/eby/
I will, because this makes more sense to me in the context of most NDE I've read. The temporarily deceased is not met with anger or threats by spiritual beings, but love and disappointment at shortcomings, and a vision of how to do better in the second chance. Like Jesus really does want to lead every soul to heaven, especially those in most need of his mercy.
That's great, I wasn't able to access the first one, I wrote the website runner and asked him if it was something on purpose or what..............can you access the first one?
BTW each essay in long and in depth, it goes in chronological order, so it takes a patient reading, for me it was worth it, he was speaking my language.
No, the first one has a dead link.
Thanks, I wrote the webmaster.
Ty.
Thank you for this great post. The link you provide is new to me. It looks very promising. Thanks for that too.
Thank you, the link is one of 250 essays on the book of Revelation, the interpretive meathod is idealist, or spiritual, the whole work is decades of Preston Eby's ministry.
Here's the index, I started from the first one and it's taken me the better part of a year to get to this essay. It's been a personal revival for me.
Index: https://www.godfire.net/eby/
Can't get behind God. That whole child sacrifice and genital mutilation thing he's got going on.
Pretty sure our creator finds that as disgusting as you and I :)
So disgusted that he demanded the blood of his son as sacrifice and commands his followers to genitally mutilate their sons? gtfo
Demanded the blood of His son? Guess what, we all die, we all give our blood, the difference is Jesus Christ gave His blood, and got back up to prove death has no power over man. Why should the Son of God not go through what we all go through? I don't know anything about the OT practices, I'm not Jewish. I don't have to give an answer for every OT practice or misunderstanding, not my job, what I do is declare Jesus Christ King of kings and Lord or lords. We are talking about the kingdom of Heaven, not the earth, God's kingdom come is Jesus King in you(earth). They kingdom come, they will be done, in earth as it is in heaven. The kingdom is in you.
"I don't know anything about the OT practices, I'm not Jewish. I don't have to give an answer for every OT practice or misunderstanding, not my job,..."
Nearly every politician in America:
" I don't know anything about the _______, I'm not _____. I don't have to give an answer for every ______ or misunderstanding, not my job,..."
You speak with some authority and many scripture references so I thought you would be well-versed in the practice of circumcisiion which has mutilated unimaginable numbers of baby boys. Jewish, Christian, Muslim, they all do it. Their Gods have some major things in common.
The life of the flesh is in the blood. That's why this God demanded blood sacrifices and for sin atonement, it was the blood of a lamb or other young one - new, innocent, pure inside and out. Adrenochrome isn't a newly discovered phenomenon.
You made it a point to say you're not Jewish. I didn't ask.
You're pushing texts deifying an entity that people still to this day are chopping up their sons' penises for. Blood sacrifice of the innocent is the pillar of all religions associated with these texts. Ipso facto, you're endorsing the God(s) in them. It's extremely unlikely that you don't understand the significance of these two "OT practices," both to the God in question and to anons.
It sits wrong when someone tells me there's an invisible something floating around in the air and only a few people are smart enough to understand it so the rest have to shut up, suffocate themselves, and get a vaccine. In other words, obey them even if it means risking your life. It also sits wrong when a book gets pieced together over 1500 years and a few people decide it's "the WORD OF GOD" and nothing else is, dominating the susceptible. And it really sits wrong when people say they are fighting to save the kids in the tunnels and in the next breath try to guide others towards an object of worship who pleasures in controlling by fear and want.
Not my Creator.
Not something I think about at all. It's not my religion.
Still not my religion, make a point.
I am pushing a text a particular teacher, he teaches on something of great interest to me, the kingdom of God. Pretty sure he's not talking about circumcision and the like, maybe I missed it, please point it out, other than that, your projecting what you think I i'm saying.
The author has to address what has been given to him, and he does, you assume he is just saying the same thing you're used to others saying, I'm just interested in the kingdom of God, your religious hangups need to be addressed........by you.
I have no interest in the religious questions you are hung up about, I'd help if I could but it is not my place, I don't put any thought into it at all. I do like perfection, I believe in perfection, I don't pretend to understand every religious practice, I don't have an interest in the religions of the past, you seem hung up on them, but you do seem interested in the things of God, and perfection.
It seems to me you are searching for God. I'm not hung up with the questions that keep you from a proper faith, not sure why I can look past some things and you can't, you are not rejected, the spirit can teach you just as it teaches me, you just have to accept that there is a teacher, who cares and will show you the way. Like I said earlier, it is in you.
I agree there, and the author would as well, the word of God is way more than a book. He uses the book, and knows the book, but the word of God is more than a book, it is not a creed, a writing, a tradition, it is God speaking in you, and in me, and in the world. Your thing is believing that God would speak to you.
Good for you, what people say is not something you have to put faith in, believing in a Creator, which you capitalized, is a basic in finding happiness, it's just the way we're set up. Feel free to continue to vent, I'll answer as best I can.
You forgot this one.
A few of many similar verses in the Bible:
James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Malachi 3:6
For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? (repent = change his mind)
Psalm 33:11
The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.
You made it clear you believe there is one author of your source material so I will play that game. One deity wrote the entire thing over 1500 years, very easy to do when talking about Anunnaki. He says he doesn't change his mind. His thoughts/rules apply to everyone in all timelines. So when he decided there won't be any more blood sacrifices after the final, most ultimate one he could think of, I'd say that was a pretty big change in him and his ideas. So his word will stand forever until the political scene is so bad that he has to change his story/requirements? No problem. HIs PR team came up with a great fix. This sounds a hell of a lot like tptb.
The "God" of Christianity is not just one, but many. It"s easy to control populations when they believe you're a deity, no? These aren't nebulous clouds floating around, they're living entities and they've been controlling humanity for ages.
Calling my factual comments "venting" and using condescending language like "it seems to me you are searching for God" is a tactic used by bad actors. The intent is to make the other person appear as if they are in a hightened emotional state and not even attempting to use logic. It's a lie and not becoming of an anon.
Yes, multiple meanings exist. Yes, the Bible is coded like every manual is. It is also the most brutally violent book of the past. It is controlled by "Evil" and changed/adjusted to fit different political demographics and times. You repeated how uninterested you are in religion, yet you use the most mainstream religion in the world to reference your beliefs.
I capitalized Creator because it is a proper noun as used. English grammar capitalizes proper nouns. I have a Source and I know, love and respect my Creator. It is not a "God". God, lord, Lord, LORD, GOD, Lord God, LORD GOD, and other variations are different titles used to identify different beings. Some are for humanity, some are against humanity. Which is your creator and what is your marker or markers proving the claim?
Sorry man, we are talking about a study on Revelation, that is the material. The author is Preston Eby.
You're ranting an argument I'm not making. I don't think the Bible is perfect, and am not arguing its validity to you. The message is what I'm talking about, I can't, don't have the capacity to argue your every issue with Bible theology.
Our creator is like us, or should I say we are like Him, His kingdom is in us, it is spiritual, our creator is knowable, this is the message of Jesus Christ, are you an atheist, or do you believe in things spiritual? You seem to like to argue against the Bible, get on topic, Revelation is the topic, it uses Bible theology that I'm not an expert in, the author(of the study of Revelation) is the expert here. You can't even consider the study(of Revelation), until you get on topic, and quit arguing Bible validity.
It would help if we were talking about the same thing. The book of Revelation is written to the Bible believing church of Jesus Christ, it is spiritual, I'm not trying to win your soul, feel free to continue arguing Bible, but it's not the topic I'm espousing.
"The following illustration will make this clear. It is frequently said in the Old Testament that Yahweh is angry. Yet Jesus came as the revelation of our Father, Yahweh, and He said that "God (Yahweh) so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son." The beloved John states that as to His nature, "God IS love." Does not love appear to be far above anger and wrath? This may be compared to a wise father out of love telling his children that he is very angry on account of something bad that they have done. It is obvious in this case that the word "angry" stands for the sternness issuing out of the father’s love of his children and his intense and determined hope of their improvement, and is the outward expression of his love. He may even take strong measures to show them his displeasure and how fervently he requires their repentance and change of behavior. Can we not see by this that whatever he does to correct his children is not done out of uncontrolled rage, unbridled vengeance, nor as vindictive punishment — rather his actions are the expression of meaningful correction out of love. And that, my friend, is what is meant by the "wrath" of God! It is His divine, determined passion to make right what is wrong in the lives of His immature, irresponsible, or rebellious children. Aren’t you glad!"