I saw something when I realized that the Babylonian system is in the process of transitioning to a new form. There are some things to consider about that, but first a little background about the system itself, which you can skip past if you are already familiar with this material.
Identifying Babylon
It is my belief that Babylon still exists in our time, but it is not in the form of an actual place. It was identified with the city of Rome in the book of Revelation, which was its seat during the time of John, but it has since evolved to become a trans-national entity. To sum up what I have said in a previous post about this, Babylon was identified in Revelation 17 as a harlot that rode upon a beast. Beasts are the pictured forms of empires in Bible prophecy. The harlot riding the beast means she isn’t part of government but that she is associated with it and is influential enough to tame and guide it. She sits on many waters, which are identified as people nations and tongues. This means she is an international entity with influence in many countries. She also has the word MYSTERY written on her forehead, which may refer to the secret religion of those who comprise her, or it could refer to the secrecy in which they operate behind the scenes. She is named BABYLON THE GREAT, which tells you her roots in human history. She has a cup of iniquity in her hand that contains the blood of martyrs and saints, which means she is ultimately responsible for the persecution of innocent people, and she fornicates with the kings of the earth, which means they do what she wants in return for favors. Her being a harlot indicates that this comes mostly in the form of money, which she is certain to have plenty of because it is apparent in the text that she has broad control over businesses that deal in every commodity on the face of the earth. When the angel said that Babylon was fallen, he meant it had become hopelessly wicked, not that it had come to its end. Even so, the whole thing is scheduled for destruction, and Revelation 18 details its downfall, which I believe we’re witnessing at this very moment. In light of this, I think it is significant that the number 17 is so closely associated with Q, who identifies an international monster with these very same characteristics as being the enemy of mankind.
There have been changes of this enemy’s form along the way. In John’s time it was associated with the empire of Rome. It then followed the seat of power into the Catholic Church when the pope became the ultimate authority in Europe in the middle ages, but during that time something changed. In the latter period of European colonialism the entity separated into three associated centers of power with a wide geographical separation.
The Established Modern Form
I do not take everything in the book of Revelation to be literal. Some things certainly are, but it is largely written in the dream language of symbols, like a code that tells us what is going to happen without giving the enemy too much information. I want to zero in on one of those symbols. John said he saw a mighty earthquake that divided the "great city" into 3 parts. I believe that city is Babylon (the Great), and I don’t interpret this particular earthquake to be a literal one. I think it speaks of a great shaking of the established order that results in rapid changes. I believe this has already happened. There are events in history that could fit the bill of something this “earth-shattering,” but identifying what it was is not as important to this discussion as understanding that a shaking was the catalyst for a division of the power of Babylon, which separated to condense into 3 notable cities. Those cities were The Vatican in Rome, The City of London in London, and Washington, DC. These three cities have been unique as power centers in the earth. Each is a city unto itself, like a city-state, separate from the cities or nations in which it resides, and they all have sovereign authority within the city limits. Each of those cities has a notable ribbed dome and an obelisk. I won’t go into the Masonic symbolism of the architecture, except to say that the design and placement is symbolic and intentional.
This is the modern form of the Babylonian system, beginning in the 19th century and continuing into the 21st century, existing in the latter half of that period alongside changes they were making to bring about a transition to a final envisioned form. In the established arrangement, the religious branch remained in Rome, while the financial branch settled in the heart of the enormous British Empire, where it could exercise economic control over vast portions of the world. It established its military division in America to provide the muscle to control things, including ousting regimes that were not to their liking and instigating profitable wars that advanced their goals.
The Final Form
The final form is emerging now, a system in which international corporations would be controlling government policy in every nation more directly in a fascist arrangement. It is like a 4th Reich, but this time the governments won’t be ordering corporate involvement. The system will operate the other way around with the corporations (meaning the men and women who control them) calling the shots, and they would have complete control of everyone and everything through technology. America would no longer be needed, and it was their plan to destroy it. (That began with Obama and was to be completed by Hillary. We all know what happened to stop it.) Although the United States has been used as a power center by this international cabal, it has always been problematic. The problem is the U.S. Constitution and a rights-conscious liberty-minded armed citizenry, both of which were constant thorns ripping into their plans. The banking center in the City of London will no longer be needed to manage their system of debt-slavery because they plan to make the entire system digital. The Vatican will no longer be needed because they plan to eliminate religion altogether in favor of obedience to the state, which they think they have the means to enforce through technology. (Good luck getting the muslims to play along. I believe the forced incarceration and indoctrination of muslims in China is an experiment to see if they can change their strongly-held beliefs. They are doing it there because the CCP has complete freedom to violate human rights, and China has enough influence through economic infiltration to discourage people in other countries from squawking about it.)
The strategy of God’s destruction of Babylon
The only problem with this global cabal’s plans for a world-enslaving restructure is that their plans are collapsing. We are seeing it with our eyes, well, those of us who don’t get our news from the lying media. The transition they are hoping to accomplish will never be fully realized before their entire system is destroyed beyond any hope of recovery. Their evil secrets are being exposed more and more every day, including the plans they once got people to swallow through the application of crises and fear. They cannot operate in the full light of day, and people knowing about their evil plans and being privy to their tactics has been throwing a monkey wrench into everything they do. It is not something they can counteract with propaganda or turn with an engineered crisis because those things aren’t working anymore. Of course, there will always be people who believe the lie, but the ones doing the lying no longer have the total saturation of compliance they once enjoyed, and the momentum away from that is building as more and more people want to know the truth. This is God’s doing. This is the Great Awakening. This is the beginning of God pouring out His Spirit on all flesh (as He said He would do). All means all, and it will have different effects for different individuals, but the broad effect will be a majority of humans waking up and coming alive. The Babylonian system will not be able to function under those conditions, but I believe it will fall into rubble long before it can get the chance to try.
I think it was a strategic move on God’s part to wait until the planned transition was underway. In a great part God uses us to accomplish His goals, and a firmly established system with foundations firmly rooted in the earth is a lot harder for men to overcome than a system leaving its foundations on moving day. That is the perfect time to attack, when things are unstable and in flux, and that is why I think God waited until now to deal with that monster. He doesn’t enter a fight with the possibility of losing, and I think we can trust Him to know when success is guaranteed. He even gave us an extremely significant sign that the demolition has started. However it happened, whether lightening came down from on high or some dude showed up with a bomb, the destruction of the Georgia Guidestones was a sign from God that it’s over for the people who want to own the world. Those stones contained their entire plan in softened language, and they were scraped away in a single day. I expect the same thing to happen to the Babylonian system in the very near future––a sudden complete collapse they were not expecting, and from which they will never recover.
Revelation 17:9-10 (emphasis mine):
“The kings of the earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning, standing at a distance for fear of her torment, saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! For in one hour your judgment has come.’”
Superb dose of Hopium, Fren. I just want to know: why is the Paris Obelisk never mentioned? Because it was brought by Napoleon?
There are obelisks all over the world. That doesn't mean that the ones in these three cities become meaningless. Symbolism is important to them.
Nice writeup but I take the book of Revelation literally. At some point in the 7 years of the tribulations, the ten kings turn on the whore and burn her with fire.
Revelation 17 KJV 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
The harlot/ mystery babylon is a religion. This religion has been around since Semiramis begat Isis. It's current form is the roman catholic "church" (compare the pagan rituals when you have time and consider that NO other church has killed as many saints as this one has.) A future pope fulfills the role of the false prophet and the antiChrist will rule over the one world religion the catholics are trying to create now. Their seat of power will be in Jerusalem, where they will kill many jews in the third temple. The ten kings eventually repent of this abomination and burn it out. Then the ten kings send their armies against Jerusalem and the Lord returns, Amen, to rule for a thousand years.
As far as Joel's prophecy, no way anyone can say that the Spirit has been poured out on ALL flesh, not with all the evil I see going on (this prophecy is fulfilled at or just after Christs 2nd Advent.)
The imagery of Revelation is "mystical" and confusing to us because John saw it actually taking place in the future and could not describe it in the knowledge barrier of his time. For instance, the stars falling to earth could have been nuclear explosions (I don't know this for sure.) Revelation states that he was "in the spirit," which means the Lord removed his spirit from his body and placed it in the future when the tribulations are actually occurring. Use this "mindset" when interpreting the book and it will render some good info. Such as "I saw a door opened in Heaven" in Chapter 4, before any seals were opened, is a sure sign that the rapture of the church is pre tribulation.
I think those last seven years are literal, too. I just don't think it's time for that yet. I think Good is doing something else, fulfilling another promise before any of that happens, and I think we will get a few generations of seeing what life can be like with the godly in charge (in terms of exercising their spiritual authority in Christ and even occupying many of the seats of power in the earth). After that humanity will have a real choice they haven't had under the constant deception of the matrix of lies we have been living in for the last few generations. The spiritual illegality of that has already been decided in heaven's court.
I think Rev. 17:16 is literal, too, and we'll see how that plays out. The plan of the criminal elite is to eliminate religion altogether, which their "prophet" Harari says must happen in order to establish their brave new world. The plan will not be different when they are finally able to do it, but I don't think these are the people who will get to see that, regardless of whether they fit the pattern. Satan has no new plans. It's always the same one.
I did not say that the Spirit has already been poured out on all flesh, only that I thought we were seeing the beginning of that. Coming events in the world will confirm or falsify my conjecture, but unless it is proven wrong, I will continue to believe it. People would be free to reject the working of the Spirit, of course. God is not going to roll over anyone's free will, but the influence of the Holy Spirit will be hard for anyone to ignore.
On a side note, I do not believe the rapture will be a rescue operation, and I don't believe it is going to happen anytime soon. I believe the true church will rise into its calling before that. The bride will have time to make herself ready. Only after that will she be caught up to meet the Lord, then return with Him after the marriage supper. (There is no time in the spiritual realm such as we have here. That can happen in the blink of an eye from the perspective of people on earth even if we linger a century at the table). I believe the church will have to be taken off the earth for God to judge wicked men because the power of her godliness and the Holy Spirit within her will be restraining evil from what it really wants to do.
I cannot join with the religious doomers who see everything according to what they have been taught it must be. The Great Awakening is real, and it's happening. How does it make sense for God to start something like that only to snuff it out with the end of the world? We're all going to see things that don't make sense according to what we were taught. In those moments we will have a choice whether to cling to our charts or pull them down from the wall.
But you think you are TOO GOOD for suffering?
Don't mistake the wrath of satan for the wrath of God. This is almost too simple to figure out. How many millions of believers have died in their sleep, peacefully? Are they apostates? God's wrath, as foretold in the opening of the seals, is poured out on EVIL, not good.
You post up a bunch of tribulation verses to argue against the age of Grace. Two entirely separate dispensations. Who was Matthew 24 spoken too? Jews. What time was it addressing? The tribulations. What are the tribulations sole purpose? SOLE PURPOSE? To restore the nation of Israel. SOLE PURPOSE. Study any Old Testament prophecy for the details. The age of Grace is apart from this. The age of Grace is is God's will to create the body of Christ, beings that have the mind of Christ and the glorified body of Christ, with a body and spirit that will never die, who serve God as Kings and Priests. The restored nation of Israel is on Earth. A physical nation, with a physical temple, that is required to make physical sacrifices and eat from a physical tree of life. If they don't eat from the tree of life they die. The abode of the body of Christ is in the New Jerusalem, where there is no temple because God is the Temple.
I don't understand your reply. Are you angry with Andy_man45 or with me for saying something you didn't like? I confess that I'm running on the assumption that you were angry-typing because of all the shouting caps. Somehow I didn't catch the thread of advocating for a secret evacuation, and I would like to understand that to get a grasp on your response. Your last paragraph is particularly puzzling. What point are you addressing, and why did it require you to engage in a such a personal attack?
To ease your mind if you have any concerns about me, I am not afraid to die, and I am not afraid to live. I have no argument with what is plainly stated in scripture, even the hard words that tell the truth about how God deals with things. If Jesus said He will return in a spectacular public display that will be seen by the whole world, then that is what I believe will occur because He would know. If He says some will not make it because they're asleep when He comes, I will strive to remain awake. He said we would have trouble here, and I have had plenty of that, but I have also had times of great peace and safety, which He also said we would have.
My only argument is with religious interpretations of scripture that twist what it says to conform to a narrative cooked up my men. That is something that is never easy to see if you are immersed in it. I don't like boxes that force things into a shape. My opinion is that the shape of things should be defining the contours of the boxes.
No need to be sorry, but thanks. That clears things up.
If you have not watched "The Fuel Project" on YouTube now is a good time to watch it. It gives you all the background for this. Then Know Your Enemy- Revelations.
I haven't seen that. Sounds interesting.
Just from the heading I'll say I agree with the premise. This was inevitable, trump stepped out, let them cheat and captured it all and now they will preside over rhe failure they created. Then, trump will come back and fix it.
In Bible prophecy, a woman is a church.
In Ezekiel 16, much of the same language used in Revelation is used to describe Jerusalem, the church, playing the harlot.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel+16&version=KJV
That could be, but there are some things that don't make sense with the image in this case, like the harlot's association with the government, her enormous wealth, or her control of business worldwide.
The case could be made that she represents the Catholic Church in the days of its power, and the reformers who broke away certainly did make that accusation. A lot of things seem to point to it, for instance, "antichrist" doesn't mean "against Christ" but "in place of Christ," and to this day, the pope has "Vicarious Son of God" written on his miter.
In any case, I will stand by my assertions until I see something happen that falsifies them. Long ago I saw the need to be wary of official narratives, even in the church. I came to realize that a lot of what the evangelical Christians believe about the end times is false, and the divergence is subtle enough to seem true. It is all based on the absurd idea that there is a 2000 year gap right in the middle of the 70 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9. Even worse, they make scriptures that are clearly speaking about Christ to be about the antichrist. That's just bad exegesis. No where else is prophecy treated this way, but the most startling thing is that it came out of the mind of a Jesuit priest who was trying to take heat off the pope during the reformation. (Fransisco Ribera, 1537-1591). His writings resurfaced in the 1800s, and the evangelical church in America seized upon them to make his interpretations of prophecy their unquestionable "settled' vision of the future. No one thought that way before the Ribera narrative became popular. Now you are treated as a heretic if you believe something different.
Here's the Green New Deal agenda laid out in 2015 by Pope Francis-
ENCYCLICAL LETTER
LAUDATO SI’
OF THE HOLY FATHER
FRANCIS
ON CARE FOR OUR COMMON HOME
LAUDATO SI’, mi’ Signore” – “Praise be to you, my Lord”. In the words of this beautiful canticle, Saint Francis of Assisi reminds us that our common home is like a sister with whom we share our life and a beautiful mother who opens her arms to embrace us. “Praise be to you, my Lord, through our Sister, Mother Earth, who sustains and governs us, and who produces various fruit with coloured flowers and herbs”.[1]
2. This sister now cries out to us because of the harm we have inflicted on her by our irresponsible use and abuse of the goods with which God has endowed her. We have come to see ourselves as her lords and masters, entitled to plunder her at will. The violence present in our hearts, wounded by sin, is also reflected in the symptoms of sickness evident in the soil, in the water, in the air and in all forms of life. This is why the earth herself, burdened and laid waste, is among the most abandoned and maltreated of our poor; she “groans in travail” (Rom 8:22). We have forgotten that we ourselves are dust of the earth (cf. Gen 2:7); our very bodies are made up of her elements, we breathe her air and we receive life and refreshment from her waters.
https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html
Archived link - https://archive.ph/tO7OIfrancipo
The Pope is also pushing the Covid-19 vaccines.
Aug 18, 2021
In a video co-produced with the Ad Council, Pope Francis urges people to get vaccinated against Covid-19, calling it an act of love toward others.
Catbox link - https://files.catbox.moe/6qsrit.mp4
Original YouTube link- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWf3Ji11EaU
When the Pope says jump, governments around the world ask, "How high?"
I get your point, but from what I am seeing the pope's voice is just one among many in positions of authority (including clandestine authority) all saying the same thing.
There are many encyclicals which came long before anybody else said the same thing.
Obama spoke about redistribution of wealth as early as 2001. Meanwhile, Pope Paul VI wrote an encyclical outlining the same concepts in 1967.
Populorum Progressio AKA Human Development
https://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_26031967_populorum.html
Archived link - https://archive.ph/BEskD
Pope Benedict XVI reminded Obama of Pope Paul VI's teaching and emphasized the redistribution of wealth part of it in his 2009 Caritas In Veritate AKA Charity in truth, which was released just days before their first meeting.
https://www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate.html
Archived link - https://archive.ph/dlNFi
The pope bows to no one, but he bows when a Rothschild comes to the Vatican for a visit. (There are pictures.) He is not the top dog.
The Black Pope is top dog.
You might be right about that.
Yes this is good thinking. The comments are also good. None of us agree on everything but we are going in the same direction. I like it. Thanks
I appreciate that, but it might be too soon to judge my thinking or my comments. We all have our ideas, which we present here, often still looking for confirmation from solid proof, but in the case of evaluating prophecy, only events can prove whether we are barking at the right tree––so . . . we'll see.
I do appreciate being able to have civil discussions with people who disagree, and I enjoy hearing their perspectives. I have found that the general tone here is conducive to that. Even so, I have run into a few trolls who were too angry and dogmatic to allow me to have my own opinions. One even started attacking the validity of the scriptures upon which I had based my argument, calling into question the authenticity of entire books of the Bible. (It is a classic tactic of the enemy to attack the thing upon which you base your trust.) No matter what I said, he shot down, like his knowledge of things was superior. It took me a few replies to realize his whole purpose was to destroy my trust in scriptures––scriptures I have depended upon for 40 years, which produced more than one instant miracle healing for me because I believed the words were breathed from God. No one can talk me out of that, believe me. I even ran into one on another site who wanted me acknowledge the awesome power of Satan and his hordes. This was in response to my discounting the devil as a threat because of the authority of Christ in my life, but I am never going to glorify a defeated devil. I have seen the him run in terror when I spoke in Jesus' name, so I do not fear him. I get what the guy was saying, and how it can seem that way to someone who doesn't understand the finished work of Christ or the fact that He has all authority in heaven and earth. My perspective is that all means all, and it should be the perspective of any person who is in Christ. We need to be on the attack, not cowering under a pew worried about what the devil might do. We need to be fearlessly going after him, taking ground to annex it into the kingdom of our all-powerful God who loves all of us.
We have to beware of what we agree to. Our mouths and our fingers can get us into trouble from trying to be nice. One of the things we must learn is that the devil must get you to agree with him before he can kill, steal, or destroy you. It is a spiritual principle he cannot violate. It is demons speaking through people when they want you to agree with them that life is bad, or that you have bad luck, or that God has forsaken you (or that you cannot recover from your sickness). We have to watch our mouths to avoid agreeing with doom and gloom and renounce unwitting agreement with the devil quickly when we realize it. We are never to agree with the devil, but he tries to get us to do it so he has a way in to manipulate us and destroy our ability to have faith. We need to be agreeing with God's plans and purposes only, and speaking our agreement like the representatives of a conquering kingdom we are. There is never a reason to despair and just let life happen to us.
Sorry. My long reply probably exceeds your budget. I get going. I'm not writing any books right now, so I have time on my hands. I think it might be a danger to the world.
You should probably write books. You are a powerful voice. This moved me in a good way. I come across sometimes a dogmatic. I don't intend to but when you know, you know. Enjoyed your words.
I do write books. 17 published since .
As far as sounding dogmatic, I have done the same thing without meaning to, so I understand very well what you're saying. (I don't care that I'm ending a clause with "to." It's how we talk, and we all need to get over it. Wait . . . is that sounding a bit dogmatic?)
I have had to learn how to say what I think without trampling other people's dignity or devaluing their right to have their opinions, and it was love that compelled me to do that. It was what I wanted people to do for me, so I try to do if for them even when they don't reciprocate. I don't, however, continue converstations with people who demonstrate a consistently belligerent attitude. That's just a fight, and it doesn't help anyone.
Thank you for your kind words.
That would be, 17 books published since 2018.
I think I'm seeing that, too. It might be a time of great pruning (John 15), and it would be good to make sure we are producing the fruit God is looking for. (Galatians 5) You're right on the money about our warfare. We can't be sampling the wickedness of the world and expect be victorious.
I have long been aware that many Christian groups were not living up to the glory of God, and it used to make me angry until I realized it was not the right response. I had to repent of judging the church because is not my business to do that, and I was putting my own soul in danger to be angry with people for whom Christ also shed His blood.
You either turn to God or away. Fully or less full. There are no measures.
He is in your all in all.