Its really simple Christ said, at the last Trump, (as in trumpet blast number 7) the dead in Christ shall rise and all who remain shall be risen and changed in the twinkling of an eye and shall rise up to meet Christ in the "AIR" at his return.
When crossed referenced with Revelations prophecies of the seventh trumpet blast you see it is clearly at the end of the Tribulation period, not in the middle or before.
But as old pastors used to say, pray for pre but prepare for post.
Correct. As if it were a trumpet. It will be a loud shout from the Angel. You have to remember John is describing things he has seen in the spirit that cannot be seen in human flesh. Some of revelation is hyperbole and some is litteral. He had to describe things in a way that their current vernacular at that time would understand. How was he to explain an airplane in 70AD?
But what is the biblical standard of death? "Leave the dead to bury their own dead, and follow me".
Regarding the scriptures about the dead rising in the air:
Rev 17:15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute was seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
The "waters" here is a symbol of people, of multitudes.
What happens to water when it evaporates? It purifies, and becomes clouds.
Heb 12:1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight
A 'cloud' of witnesses. Here, again, 'cloud' refers to people.
When scripture says that Christ returns on the clouds, it does not mean that Christ will return in the sky, up at the stratosphere, but rather, than when Christ returns, his return will first of all resurrect a number of people and purify them, and then surrounded by them, Christ will then reach out to all the world.
Rising into the air can easily be understood as a metaphor for spiritually being elevated through unity with Christ when he returns.
The 7th trumpet happens mid trib. Right after the abomination of desolation. Just prior to the vials of wrath being pored out. So many have confused the tribulation of saints or persecution of the church with Gods wrath being poured out. They are two separate things. The antichrist will make war on the church but gods wrath is pored out after he gathers the saints. I have studied this subject more than anything else in my entire 40 years on this earth. C.I. Scofeild and John Darby were heretics.
Its really simple Christ said, at the last Trump, (as in trumpet blast number 7) the dead in Christ shall rise and all who remain shall be risen and changed in the twinkling of an eye and shall rise up to meet Christ in the "AIR" at his return.
When crossed referenced with Revelations prophecies of the seventh trumpet blast you see it is clearly at the end of the Tribulation period, not in the middle or before.
But as old pastors used to say, pray for pre but prepare for post.
The last trump before the tribulation? Last chance?
I have wondered on that play of words, The last Trump, I find it auspicious, if not ominous as coincidence given our current time line.
Kim Clement said Trump will be God's Trumpet.
Be careful of modern day profits and their new revelations.
Isn't that like a trumpet sound?
In Revelation, apostle John describes it as a voice that sounds like a trumpet. In this scripture, it just refers to the last trump.
thank Q :)
Correct. As if it were a trumpet. It will be a loud shout from the Angel. You have to remember John is describing things he has seen in the spirit that cannot be seen in human flesh. Some of revelation is hyperbole and some is litteral. He had to describe things in a way that their current vernacular at that time would understand. How was he to explain an airplane in 70AD?
"The dead in Christ shall rise...."
But what is the biblical standard of death? "Leave the dead to bury their own dead, and follow me".
Regarding the scriptures about the dead rising in the air:
Rev 17:15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute was seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
The "waters" here is a symbol of people, of multitudes.
What happens to water when it evaporates? It purifies, and becomes clouds.
Heb 12:1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight
A 'cloud' of witnesses. Here, again, 'cloud' refers to people.
When scripture says that Christ returns on the clouds, it does not mean that Christ will return in the sky, up at the stratosphere, but rather, than when Christ returns, his return will first of all resurrect a number of people and purify them, and then surrounded by them, Christ will then reach out to all the world.
Rising into the air can easily be understood as a metaphor for spiritually being elevated through unity with Christ when he returns.
The 7th trumpet happens mid trib. Right after the abomination of desolation. Just prior to the vials of wrath being pored out. So many have confused the tribulation of saints or persecution of the church with Gods wrath being poured out. They are two separate things. The antichrist will make war on the church but gods wrath is pored out after he gathers the saints. I have studied this subject more than anything else in my entire 40 years on this earth. C.I. Scofeild and John Darby were heretics.
Tribulation = thelipsis = mental pressures
The word is the same word as stepping on grapes in a wine pit.
Persecution of the church