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The Comma Johanneum, also known as the Comma Johannine, is a textual variant in regards to 1 John 5:7-8. The word comma simply means “short clause,” and Johanneum means “pertaining to John.” Without the “comma,” 1 John 5:7-8 reads, “For there are three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.” With the “comma,” 1 John 5:7-8 reads, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.” If the Comma Johanneum was originally part of 1 John 5:7-8, it would be the clearest and most direct reference to the Trinity in the entire Bible.
However, it is highly unlikely that the Comma Johanneum was originally a part of 1 John. None of the oldest Greek manuscripts of 1 John contain the comma, and none of the very early church fathers include it when quoting or referencing 1 John 5:7-8. The presence of the Comma Johanneum in Greek manuscripts is actually quite rare until the 15th century A.D. It is primarily found in Latin manuscripts. While some of the Latin manuscripts containing the Comma Johanneum are ancient, the Comma Johanneum did not appear in the original Latin Vulgate written by Jerome.
In the 16th century, when Desiderius Erasmus was compiling what became known as the Textus Receptus, he did not include the Comma Johanneum in the 1st or 2nd editions. Due to intense pressure from the Catholic Church and others who wanted it included because of its support for trinitarianism, Erasmus included the Comma Johanneum in later editions of the Textus Receptus. His decision resulted in the Comma Johanneum being included in the King James Version of the Bible and later in the New King James Version. None of the modern Greek texts (UBS 4, Nestle-Aland 27, Majority Text) contain the Comma Johanneum. Of all the modern English translations, only the New King James Version and Modern English Version include the Comma Johanneum.
While it would be convenient for there to be an explicit statement confirming the Trinity in the Bible, it is highly unlikely that the Comma Johanneum was originally a part of 1 John. Some ancient scribe, either intentionally or accidentally added it to a Latin manuscript, and then that addition was copied thousands upon thousands of times. This eventually resulted in the Comma Johanneum appearing in the vast majority of Latin manuscripts. Whatever the scribe’s motives, it is absolutely wrong to add to God’s Word. While what the Comma Johanneum says is true, it is not a God-breathed statement and does not belong in the Bible. The doctrine of the Trinity is taught and implied in many other biblical passages. If God thought an explicit mention of the Trinity was necessary, He Himself would have made sure it was in His Word.
Some ancient scribe, either intentionally or accidentally added it to a Latin manuscript, and then that addition was copied thousands upon thousands of times.
Sorry bro, the final authority up in this camp is the Bible itself. The book that I have is God breathed and inspired, and it is complete in itself. You can join up with the world system of scholarship, I am not of this world. I have faith in the God I worship and adore to give me His Words of life as He promised He would.
1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
What you don't seem to grasp is that the very reason we even know there are variations or errors (like the above statement says) is because of the sheer number of manuscript copies we have to work from. So statements like "There are errors in the bible" presupposes we know what the original said in order to call something an error or mistake.
Because we have so many (over 25,000 - not even including the quotations by the early Church Fathers) copies, we're able to work back to what the original autographs said within a 99.9% accuracy. And that .01% has nothing to do with ANY doctrinal teachings of Christianity.
No, the original autographs were God breathed and inspired - the copies and translations were not.
Self refuting statement because you have to rely on the scholarship of those who translated the original KJV.
No, the original autographs were God breathed and inspired
Show us these original autographs. 😂 Just like the roman catholic priest with his back turned to the congregation mumbling something, we're supossed to take your word for it. Okay, sure thing.
Self refuting statement because you have to rely on the scholarship of those who translated the original KJV.
I rely on the Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Spirit to have guided the hands of those who wrote this translation. O ye of little faith.
Well, thats the same thing Joseph Smith says so....
We don't want the original autographs to be in existence for this very reason! They would be controlled by a very few. Or they would be worshipped. The fact that they don't exist, and the fact that we have so many manuscript copies of the originals actually helps our case. No one person or entity has sole control over any one document. It's a balance of powers. If someone wanted to make a change or fudge the wording, they would be almost immediately called out by those who have copies that dont have those changes.
Do you understand? God gave you a mind to use as well....use it.