Declassified Documents You Say?? Hmmm..? Interesting 🤔
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Kek. The FBI and DOJ and Democrats And RINOS have fell for a major trap.
Yeah I would say so!!
FFS...
There are a MINIMUM OF TWO CLASSIFICATIONS ABOVE THE PRESIDENT!
He cannot take ANY classified document. Only ones that are at his classification level or below.
ALSO... Draino is VERY wrong about auto-declassification... doesn't that even make your BS meter go off? Do you have a BS meter?
There is a VERY SPECIFIC PROCEDURE FOR DECLAS. PERIOD.
There isn't a fucking magic wand.
Also, I'm sure you caught this stickied just now too...
Here's your magic wand.
https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1558157587165589504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1558157587165589504%7Ctwgr%5E40b29eebcc813ed266b9a9344330ae629255cdb2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgreatawakening.win%2Fp%2F15JAcOGaDw%2Fclassification-statutesregulatio%2Fc%2F
Do you not remember when President Trump delegated his declassification authority to William Barr to declassify and release whatever classified documents were necessary to clarify the Trump/Russia Hoax issue?
There are three branches of Government, and "The Intelligence Branch," AIN'T ONE OF THEM!
The President IS ONE OF THEM, and as Chief Executive and Commander in chief, THEY WORK FOR HIM.
Yes, there are procedures, and the President, as a matter of custom and courtesy, typically defers HIS AUTHORITY to intelligence agencies, the same way he defers his authority to all department heads of other Government Agencies.
That is the same as his delegation of his authority to BARR for that specific purpose.
But the Constitution says that authority IS HIS ALONE.
The only way to divest that authority from the President would be to change the Constitution. No law or regulation can affect that authority in any way.
You got that wrong.
And if the article you cite agrees with your mistake,
THEY GOT IT WRONG too.
I will direct you to the comment I made to u/ProudOfAmerica. Since you two apparently like to spin together.
Think about what you just said for two seconds. How could there legally be any classification level above the president? He holds the highest office in the land. If the president does not have access to and control over a certain level of classification, who does?
Of course we know there is a deep state that presumes to operate above the level of the presidecy. But this is highly illegal and unconstitutional. So if they wanted to claim that a president was accessing classified documents above his clearance level, they would have to admit to the existence of the deep state.
This was news to me, and comes from a GREAT article (Part 1 of 4) from CTH:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/11/part-1-why-did-the-doj-and-fbi-execute-the-raid-on-trump-the-story-behind-the-documents/
Lots of sourcing and information in this article. Take the time to read it -- it's quite long, but well worth it.
Well I read it. And I found the part you are referencing. And you have misrepresented the original intent of this part of the article. I don't know if you did it on purpose, or if you did it unwittingly. However, if you quote, try actually quoting instead of entangling your interpretation of the writing with parts of the quote.
Because it said, "Similarly, the declassification process is a request by an agency, even a traditionally -->((superior agency))<-- like the President of the United States, to the Intelligence Branch asking for them to release the information. The Intelligence Branch again holds full unilateral control."
This article even recognizes the office of the president as superior. This whole article talks about how fabricated and unbridled these intellegence agencies are.
Furthermore, this article says that classifications are created by the intelligence agencies for intelligence agencies, for work products of the agencies as well as for outside agencies as well.
So basically, unconstitutional/non-elected/self-governing/unbridled power wielding agencies get to supercede our entire government??? Not anymore. Because even this article lines out how they are barely even a part of our actual government. I would even consider them on the same status as a contractor after reading this article.
What happens if the president doesn't listen to this unconstitutional agency? Do they declare war on a sitting or even former president of the United States? Who are these people?
You know, the more I find out about about these agencies, it really makes me wonder how they even exist.
I'm not sure why you chose to have an aggressive response to my comment. I started it by saying that 'it was news to me'. The long and well-sourced article describes how the Intelligence Community has twisted the 'superior' and 'inferior' aspects of the Executive branch such that - as it stands today - the President does not have the unilateral ability to declassify (whether by law or by 'common practice').
Based on your snarky comment to me, it seems that you fully understand that -- so how could you say that I 'misrepresented' anything?
Whether by law or practice, it is not (currently) 'understood' that a President can unilaterally declassify. He 'requests it', and (if the IC says they 'refused') it is not declassified. (I think it's an illegitimate power grab, but if that power has been usurped, it is something we should be aware of. Do you mistakenly think that recognizing the fact of a power grab somehow makes me 'on their side'?)
Now perhaps there are specific laws that clearly spell out that the President has such unilateral power, and perhaps those original laws have not been 'overwritten' by new ones, but that doesn't appear to be the case (per the article).
Our quest here in this forum is to research, and -- importantly -- to 'get it right'. I stand by my 'prudent' comment to be cautious and aware that the 'common understanding' of Presidential autonomy in this situation might not be the (current) 'law of the land'.
Do you know for a fact that it is? Can you cite the source? Can you confirm that there haven't been any 'overriding' laws/statues/directives -- passed by Congress -- that have taken the President's power away?
Aggressive?
You literally just dropped in, with some CTH article, misquoted it to make it sound like Trump is nothing in comparison to the intelligence agencies, and I pointed that out. I said, I don't know if you did it on purpose, or if it was unwittingly. Sorry your feelings got hurt. But I also have strong opinions when it comes to these agencies.
So if I am to debate, especially against said agencies, I will with great enthusiasm.
Sometimes I come off as mean to people I guess, I have heard this. I don't mean to most of the time. And sometimes I do. But in your case, I was not trying to be mean. I even deleted and rewrote many sentences in that reply.
Your response just seemed a bit doomy. Now the person who quoted you, and said there is no magic wand, and asked about my BS meter... that person, I was intentionally snarky to. And for more info on this, read the new sticky or just click this link.
https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1558157587165589504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1558157587165589504%7Ctwgr%5E40b29eebcc813ed266b9a9344330ae629255cdb2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgreatawakening.win%2Fp%2F15JAcOGaDw%2Fclassification-statutesregulatio%2Fc%2F
I 'literally dropped in'? Are you not familiar with how a forum operates? Everyone 'literally drops in' when they offer a comment. Who the hell pissed in your corn flakes this morning?
With regard to your allegation that I am 'spinning', you need to get your head screwed on straight. If, in the course of research, I simply acknowledge a fact about what they enemy has done, it doesn't mean that I am 'rooting for them', or that I 'think they are right', or that 'Trump is nothing'. It means that I am analyzing the facts as they exist (or at least as I think they exist). That is not spin. I take great offense at your suggestion.
By the way, it would be really great if you would strip all the tracking info off the links you post. All you need is this: https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1558157587165589504
By the way, if you read the responses to that 'magic wand' post, there seem to be arguments back and forth - meaning that it is not 'settled' (in the current culture), which was exactly my original point - and the point of the article.
There are layers upon layers of crap that the IC has piled onto the procedures regarding intelligence in this country. Some public, some 'classified' and therefore not available to (what they consider) us 'little people'. I have no idea what hurdles have to be overcome by the President (and neither do you).
What I DO know - because it is a matter of public record - is that Trump (while in office, and on multiple occasions) directed people to declass and release certain documents to the public -- and it did not occur. Why is that? Did you ever wonder why those documents never made it to the public? Maybe it's because there are layers of bureaucrats that stop the lawful wishes of the President.
There are a ton of things that are hidden from our view, but sometimes there is evidence right in front of our face. The (effective) stoppage of his 'unilateral declass-and-release power' is a matter of public record.
In any case, I'm done dealing with someone who likes to throw around insults.
Have a good evening.
I didn't find his comment aggressive or snarky at all tbh.
Perhaps you missed his response (to someone else) where he says that I 'like to spin'.
That's a direct accusation of (my) intent, and it kinda set the tone for how I read his response to me, especially when he said that I might have 'misrepresented...the article...on purpose'.
Well look at you being all aggressive and snarky
One of my favorite things on the internet is watching 2 people argue about how it wasn't their attention to argue.
The intelligence branch is not legislative and not judicial, therefore they fall under the executive branch. Who is the Chief Executive? POTUS.
I think this comment or quote or whatever article it comes from is a liberal wet dream. The POTUS gets to overrule.
We are in agreement that (by law) POTUS runs the Executive branch.
But (in practice), were you paying attention during his Presidency? There are a whole lot of 'his directives' that did not occur.
So - we agree that he is in charge (and should be) - but that doesn't always translate into 'followed orders'.
Did you notice the multiple times during his Presidency that he directed someone to declass and release certain documents to the public --- and then nothing happened?
Was it (perhaps) because the IC bureaucrats 'just didn't want to' (and Trump let them), or was it because there are (hidden) laws/statutes (etc) that illegitimately (but perhaps legally) make things very difficult in the declass realm. I don't know (and neither do most people outside of DC).
I'm confident Trump did everything by the book, because he's one of the smartest and most strategic men on the entire planet. But that doesn't mean that he didn't have to jump through (illegitimate) hoops.
All the look over here, not there has y’all forgetting about the EO he signed about a Pres taking docs home. Refocus.
Let's be honest. They were looking to steal the evidence that Trump has on the Clinton Cabal because of the upcoming civil suit.
Didn't Trump declassify everything?
I know he declassified a lot about JFK.
https://greatawakening.win/p/15JAcOGagy/2019-president-trump-at-215-mark/c/
EVERYTHING
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