Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, you want to play jeapordy with your salvation & think that “once saved, always saved”.
You have no idea what I believe because you don't know your Bible very well.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Proverbs 24:16
16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
I believe one can be baptized and then turn around and commit a sin or multiple sins which they do not repent for. Like the thorns in the parable of the sower, their sins will choke them.
Matthew 13:7
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
And you said it yourself, early Christians didn't use prayer beads until the 3rd century, when the pagan Constantine turned Christianity into a state religion and incorporated pagan traditions including Sunday worship into the mix.
Prayer is about a personal relationship with your Savior.
The "Our Father" teaches us how to pray in a way that pleases God.
It's an example prayer, and a prayer to model our own after.
I'm not sure why you believe saying the same prayer over and over means anything or is part of spiritual warfare other than tradition. It's certainly not in the Bible, and it even contradicts the very words of Yeshua.
You reject the church, it’s history, teaching and traditions that brought you that very Bible that you hold in your hand (unless it’s ones of those bibles that’s been transliterated & further edited).
I pray that you come to the real faith & real church. I still don’t understand how someone can reject thousands of years worth of history & teachings for something man-made; Free will is an interesting thing.
I still don’t understand how someone can reject thousands of years worth of history & teachings for something man-made
Says the person who venerates man-made statues forbidden by the very voice and finger of God.
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Statues are meant for us to remember our Christian history.
I think Protestants hate statues because they hate history that contradicts their perspective on history & alternative philosophy; Similar to BLM! You see, without statues, how would remember their Christian History & hero’s of the faith? Today is an important day in Christian history. Today is the day that Catholics saved Europe from Muslims. September 11, 1638 marks ending of the Turkish siege on Europe.
In the summer of 1683, 300K warriors from the Ottoman Empire, led by the grand vizier Kara Mustafa, began the siege of Vienna. The objective of the Turkish army was not only the conquest of Western Europe but also to march to Rome to reduce the Basilica to dust.Kara Mustafa was proud of his 300,000 strong army whilst the Christian League had only 70,000 troops.
The Holy Roman Empire in league with the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was led by Polish King John III Sobieski against the Ottoman Empire and chiefdoms of the Ottoman Empire in a battle at the Kahlenberg mountain in Vienna. Perhaps marking the turning point in the 300-year struggle between the Holy Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire or confirming the already-decaying power of the Ottoman Empire, the battle is considered one of the twenty most important battles in the history of the world. It is also notable for including the largest cavalry charge in history.
The lifting of the siege of Vienna was no simple victory for Christendom over Islam. It is quite true that Poland, at considerable risk to itself, marched its armies southward to rescue its Habsburg neighbors from the Ottomans. But old Poland was in no simple sense a Christian state. It had ignored papal objections to its treaties with Muslim and pagan states, and been the target of crusades from Germany. The Polish king was obliged by law to tolerate various forms of Christianity, including Protestantism and the eastern rite, as well as Judaism and Islam.
Behind Sobieski, Blessed Marco d’Aviano, the Capuchin monk can be seen carrying the icon of Our Lady of Loreto. He was nominated as Chaplin to the Christian army headed for Vienna by Pope Innocent XI. D’Aviano encouraged the army and the people of Vienna to resist the Turks by the recitation of the Holy Rosary. During the two-month siege of Vienna he negotiated the agreement of all the European princes to defend the city. Thanks to this Capuchin monk all the princes of Europe ceded control of their own armies and allowed them to be led by the Polish king.
The day after the victory, the king and his court attended the celebration of the Holy Mass at the Church of Our Lady of Loreto where the King himself intonated the “Te Deum”, the Hymn of Thanksgiving, followed by Psalm 115: “Non nobis, Domine, non nobis!” (“Not to us, Lord, not to us”) The priests replied, crying, “Sed nomini tuo da gloriam” (“But to your name be the glory”). These words are inscribed on the frame of the masterpiece to underline the fact that God, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, saved Christian Europe from Ottoman invasion.
You miss out on so much cool Christian history by denying the true church & true faith founded by Jesus & his Apostles. Learn your Christian history, son.
Dunno, Truthseeker... based on this conversation, PowerofPrayer used bible verses to back up his claims. You just make claims with no support.
As we've learned over the last couple years, literally every earthly institution has been corrupted to its core, but you believe the catholic church has been overlooked somehow?
You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but you're really smarmy considering that the truth is that NONE of us can be sure of anything anymore.
You miss out on so much cool Christian history by denying the true church & true faith founded by Jesus & his Apostles. Learn your Christian history, son.
You mean like when Pope Nicolas V signed a Papal Bull which legally granted Portugal the right to enslave any and all people they encountered south of Cape Bojador, on the coast of Western Sahara?
And keep pretending the Roman Catholic Church wasn't playing both sides during the Crusades.
Muhammad's first wife was a wealthy widow who donated all of her money to the Roman Catholic Church and became a nun before she was given the mission to recruit a "savior" for the Arabians. She took Muhammad under her wing and set him up with her cousin, a Roman Catholic Nestorian priest named Waraqa bin Naufal, who taught him the precepts of St. Augustine. Muhammad was unable to read and write and it was claimed in the Hadiths Waraqa bin Naufaul was blind, but there's a good chance he was the one who transcribed the Koran.
These are Muslim Hadiths-
Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3
Narrated by 'Aisha
(the mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read. The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari while talking about the period of pause in revelation reporting the speech of the Prophet "While I was walking, all of a sudden I heard a voice from the sky. I looked up and saw the same angel who had visited me at the cave of Hira' sitting on a chair between the sky and the earth. I got afraid of him and came back home and said, 'Wrap me (in blankets).' And then Allah revealed the following Holy Verses (of Quran): 'O you (i.e. Muhammad)! wrapped up in garments!' Arise and warn (the people against Allah's Punishment),... up to 'and desert the idols.' (74.1-5) After this the revelation started coming strongly, frequently and regularly."
The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), "What do you see?" When he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly."
So you have the Roman Catholic Waraqa bin Naufal who says the angel Muhammad received the Koran from is the same angel God sent to Moses. Muhammad was, in secrecy, propped up and Islam was created through agents of the Pope.
The Muslims were funded and commanded by the Pope to destroy the infidels, the Jews and native Christians who were not Roman Catholics in Jerusalem, with the plans they would turn over Jerusalem to Rome because the Koran identified the Roman Catholics as the good people of the Book.
Of course, when the Muslims took Jerusalem and then claimed the Pope was an infidel as well, this led to the start of the Crusades.
Alberto Rivera told the truth. The Roman Catholic Church created Islam.
You have no idea what I believe because you don't know your Bible very well.
Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Proverbs 24:16
16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
I believe one can be baptized and then turn around and commit a sin or multiple sins which they do not repent for. Like the thorns in the parable of the sower, their sins will choke them.
Matthew 13:7
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
And you said it yourself, early Christians didn't use prayer beads until the 3rd century, when the pagan Constantine turned Christianity into a state religion and incorporated pagan traditions including Sunday worship into the mix.
Prayer is about a personal relationship with your Savior.
The "Our Father" teaches us how to pray in a way that pleases God.
It's an example prayer, and a prayer to model our own after.
I'm not sure why you believe saying the same prayer over and over means anything or is part of spiritual warfare other than tradition. It's certainly not in the Bible, and it even contradicts the very words of Yeshua.
You reject the church, it’s history, teaching and traditions that brought you that very Bible that you hold in your hand (unless it’s ones of those bibles that’s been transliterated & further edited).
I pray that you come to the real faith & real church. I still don’t understand how someone can reject thousands of years worth of history & teachings for something man-made; Free will is an interesting thing.
Says the person who venerates man-made statues forbidden by the very voice and finger of God.
Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Statues are meant for us to remember our Christian history.
I think Protestants hate statues because they hate history that contradicts their perspective on history & alternative philosophy; Similar to BLM! You see, without statues, how would remember their Christian History & hero’s of the faith? Today is an important day in Christian history. Today is the day that Catholics saved Europe from Muslims. September 11, 1638 marks ending of the Turkish siege on Europe.
In the summer of 1683, 300K warriors from the Ottoman Empire, led by the grand vizier Kara Mustafa, began the siege of Vienna. The objective of the Turkish army was not only the conquest of Western Europe but also to march to Rome to reduce the Basilica to dust.Kara Mustafa was proud of his 300,000 strong army whilst the Christian League had only 70,000 troops.
The Holy Roman Empire in league with the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth was led by Polish King John III Sobieski against the Ottoman Empire and chiefdoms of the Ottoman Empire in a battle at the Kahlenberg mountain in Vienna. Perhaps marking the turning point in the 300-year struggle between the Holy Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire or confirming the already-decaying power of the Ottoman Empire, the battle is considered one of the twenty most important battles in the history of the world. It is also notable for including the largest cavalry charge in history.
The lifting of the siege of Vienna was no simple victory for Christendom over Islam. It is quite true that Poland, at considerable risk to itself, marched its armies southward to rescue its Habsburg neighbors from the Ottomans. But old Poland was in no simple sense a Christian state. It had ignored papal objections to its treaties with Muslim and pagan states, and been the target of crusades from Germany. The Polish king was obliged by law to tolerate various forms of Christianity, including Protestantism and the eastern rite, as well as Judaism and Islam.
Behind Sobieski, Blessed Marco d’Aviano, the Capuchin monk can be seen carrying the icon of Our Lady of Loreto. He was nominated as Chaplin to the Christian army headed for Vienna by Pope Innocent XI. D’Aviano encouraged the army and the people of Vienna to resist the Turks by the recitation of the Holy Rosary. During the two-month siege of Vienna he negotiated the agreement of all the European princes to defend the city. Thanks to this Capuchin monk all the princes of Europe ceded control of their own armies and allowed them to be led by the Polish king.
The day after the victory, the king and his court attended the celebration of the Holy Mass at the Church of Our Lady of Loreto where the King himself intonated the “Te Deum”, the Hymn of Thanksgiving, followed by Psalm 115: “Non nobis, Domine, non nobis!” (“Not to us, Lord, not to us”) The priests replied, crying, “Sed nomini tuo da gloriam” (“But to your name be the glory”). These words are inscribed on the frame of the masterpiece to underline the fact that God, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, saved Christian Europe from Ottoman invasion.
You miss out on so much cool Christian history by denying the true church & true faith founded by Jesus & his Apostles. Learn your Christian history, son.
Dunno, Truthseeker... based on this conversation, PowerofPrayer used bible verses to back up his claims. You just make claims with no support.
As we've learned over the last couple years, literally every earthly institution has been corrupted to its core, but you believe the catholic church has been overlooked somehow?
You're obviously entitled to your opinion, but you're really smarmy considering that the truth is that NONE of us can be sure of anything anymore.
You mean like when Pope Nicolas V signed a Papal Bull which legally granted Portugal the right to enslave any and all people they encountered south of Cape Bojador, on the coast of Western Sahara?
http://ldhi.library.cofc.edu/exhibits/show/african_laborers_for_a_new_emp/pope_nicolas_v_and_the_portugu
And keep pretending the Roman Catholic Church wasn't playing both sides during the Crusades.
Muhammad's first wife was a wealthy widow who donated all of her money to the Roman Catholic Church and became a nun before she was given the mission to recruit a "savior" for the Arabians. She took Muhammad under her wing and set him up with her cousin, a Roman Catholic Nestorian priest named Waraqa bin Naufal, who taught him the precepts of St. Augustine. Muhammad was unable to read and write and it was claimed in the Hadiths Waraqa bin Naufaul was blind, but there's a good chance he was the one who transcribed the Koran.
These are Muslim Hadiths-
Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3
Narrated by 'Aisha
(the mother of the faithful believers) The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good dreams which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion was bestowed upon him. He used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship (Allah alone) continuously for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take with him the journey food for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read. The Prophet added, "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it any more. He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I do not know how to read (or what shall I read)?' Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then released me and said, 'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3) Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" Allah's Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and could live up to the time when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will they drive me out?" Waraqa replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with something similar to what you have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive till the day when you will be turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah Al-Ansari while talking about the period of pause in revelation reporting the speech of the Prophet "While I was walking, all of a sudden I heard a voice from the sky. I looked up and saw the same angel who had visited me at the cave of Hira' sitting on a chair between the sky and the earth. I got afraid of him and came back home and said, 'Wrap me (in blankets).' And then Allah revealed the following Holy Verses (of Quran): 'O you (i.e. Muhammad)! wrapped up in garments!' Arise and warn (the people against Allah's Punishment),... up to 'and desert the idols.' (74.1-5) After this the revelation started coming strongly, frequently and regularly."
https://sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_1_01.php
Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605
Narrated by 'Aisha
The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospels in Arabic Waraqa asked (the Prophet), "What do you see?" When he told him, Waraqa said, "That is the same angel whom Allah sent to the Prophet) Moses. Should I live till you receive the Divine Message, I will support you strongly."
https://sahih-bukhari.com/Pages/Bukhari_4_55.php
So you have the Roman Catholic Waraqa bin Naufal who says the angel Muhammad received the Koran from is the same angel God sent to Moses. Muhammad was, in secrecy, propped up and Islam was created through agents of the Pope.
The Muslims were funded and commanded by the Pope to destroy the infidels, the Jews and native Christians who were not Roman Catholics in Jerusalem, with the plans they would turn over Jerusalem to Rome because the Koran identified the Roman Catholics as the good people of the Book.
Of course, when the Muslims took Jerusalem and then claimed the Pope was an infidel as well, this led to the start of the Crusades.
Alberto Rivera told the truth. The Roman Catholic Church created Islam.