We’re going to need more evidence than a second hand anecdote that US and USSR were secretly buddies the whole time during the Cold War.
Even if they were buddies then, the USSR doesn’t exist anymore and the current govt is not friendly to US/Deep State interests in the slightest. Why wouldn’t Putin or any post USSR president spill the goods?
We’re going to need more evidence than a second hand anecdote that US and USSR were secretly buddies the whole time during the Cold War.
Tell me you know nothing about Operation Paperclip without telling me you know nothing about Operation Paperclip, let alone anything about what the Russians were doing.
Even NASA admits many Nazi scientists joined the Russian space program to those who actually are willing to read-
Much has been written in the West on the history of the Soviet space program but few Westerners have read direct first-hand accounts of the men and women who were behind the many Russian accomplishments in exploring space. The memoirs of Academician Boris Chertok, translated from the original Russian, fills that gap. In these writings, spread over four volumes, Chertok not only describes and reflects upon his experiences, but he also elicits and extracts profound insights from an epic story about a society's quest to explore the cosmos.
From the introduction to the PDF of Boris Chertok's translated book linked in the article above. (Read the parts in bold if you skip the rest.) -
Chertok’s name first appeared in print in the newspaper Izvestiya in an article commemorating the thirtieth anniversary of the launch of Sputnik in 1987. In a
wide-ranging interview on the creation of Sputnik, Chertok spoke with the utmost respect for his former boss, the late Korolev. He also eloquently balanced love for his country with criticisms of the widespread inertia and inefficiency that characterized late-period Soviet society.
His first written works in the glasnost’ period, published in early 1988 in the Air Force journal Aviatsiya i kosmonavtika (Aviation and Cosmonautics), underlined Korolev’s central role in the foundation and growth of the Soviet space program.
By this time, it was as if all the patched up straps that held together a stagnant empire were falling apart one by one; even as Russia was in the midst of one of its most historic transformations, the floodgates of free expression were transforming the country’s own history. People like Chertok were now free to speak about their experiences with candor.
Readers could now learn about episodes such as Korolev’s brutal incarceration in the late 1930s, the dramatic story behind the fatal space mission of Soyuz-1 in 1967, and details of the failed and abandoned Moon project in the 1960s.
Chertok himself shed light on a missing piece of history in a series of five articles published in Izvestiya in early 1992 on the German contribution to the foundation of the Soviet missile program after World War II.
And then read this next excerpt from the introduction-
Chertok’s descriptive powers are particularly evident in describing the chaotic
nature of the Soviet mission to recover and collect rocketry equipment in Germany after World War II.
Interspersed with his contemporary diary entries, his language conveys the combination of joy, confusion, and often anti-climax that the end of the war presaged for Soviet representatives in Germany.
In one breath, Chertok and his team are looking for hidden caches of German matériel in an underground mine, while in another they are face to face with the deadly consequences of a soldier who had raped a young German woman (Volume I, Chapter 21). There are many such seemingly incongruous anecdotes during Chertok’s time in Germany, from the experience of visiting the Nazi slave labor camp at Dora soon after liberation in 1945,to the deportation of hundreds of German scientists to the USSR in 1946.
Read that again.
If you can't admit you have much to learn after reading that, I don't know what more I can write.
Also, to your point about the Russian government not spilling the beans, maybe you should go directly to the source instead of relying on mainstream media to tell you the truth.
Dmitry Rogozin, the head of Russia's national space agency, Roscosmos, describes a YouTube video clip he posted to Twitter in 2018-
Отвечаю на вопросы президента Молдавии: были ли американцы на Луне, зачем у @roscosmos
есть истребители и трамваи и как российская космонавтика поможет молдавскому винограду?
In English-
I answer the questions of the President of Moldova: were there Americans on the moon, why @roscosmos has fighter jets and trams, and how will Russian cosmonautics help Moldovan grapes?
Here's an archived Time magazine article describing this interview (which they've since pulled offline)-
Russian Space Agency Official Jokingly Pledges to Verify American Moon Landings
Rogozin was responding to a question about whether or not NASA actually landed on the moon nearly 50 years ago. He appeared to be joking, as he smirked and shrugged while answering. But conspiracies surrounding NASA’s moon missions are common in Russia.
We’re going to need more evidence than a second hand anecdote that US and USSR were secretly buddies the whole time during the Cold War.
Even if they were buddies then, the USSR doesn’t exist anymore and the current govt is not friendly to US/Deep State interests in the slightest. Why wouldn’t Putin or any post USSR president spill the goods?
Tell me you know nothing about Operation Paperclip without telling me you know nothing about Operation Paperclip, let alone anything about what the Russians were doing.
Even NASA admits many Nazi scientists joined the Russian space program to those who actually are willing to read-
Much has been written in the West on the history of the Soviet space program but few Westerners have read direct first-hand accounts of the men and women who were behind the many Russian accomplishments in exploring space. The memoirs of Academician Boris Chertok, translated from the original Russian, fills that gap. In these writings, spread over four volumes, Chertok not only describes and reflects upon his experiences, but he also elicits and extracts profound insights from an epic story about a society's quest to explore the cosmos.
https://www.nasa.gov/connect/ebooks/rockets_people_vol2_detail.html
From the introduction to the PDF of Boris Chertok's translated book linked in the article above. (Read the parts in bold if you skip the rest.) -
Chertok’s name first appeared in print in the newspaper Izvestiya in an article commemorating the thirtieth anniversary of the launch of Sputnik in 1987. In a wide-ranging interview on the creation of Sputnik, Chertok spoke with the utmost respect for his former boss, the late Korolev. He also eloquently balanced love for his country with criticisms of the widespread inertia and inefficiency that characterized late-period Soviet society.
His first written works in the glasnost’ period, published in early 1988 in the Air Force journal Aviatsiya i kosmonavtika (Aviation and Cosmonautics), underlined Korolev’s central role in the foundation and growth of the Soviet space program.
By this time, it was as if all the patched up straps that held together a stagnant empire were falling apart one by one; even as Russia was in the midst of one of its most historic transformations, the floodgates of free expression were transforming the country’s own history. People like Chertok were now free to speak about their experiences with candor.
Readers could now learn about episodes such as Korolev’s brutal incarceration in the late 1930s, the dramatic story behind the fatal space mission of Soyuz-1 in 1967, and details of the failed and abandoned Moon project in the 1960s.
Chertok himself shed light on a missing piece of history in a series of five articles published in Izvestiya in early 1992 on the German contribution to the foundation of the Soviet missile program after World War II.
And then read this next excerpt from the introduction-
Chertok’s descriptive powers are particularly evident in describing the chaotic nature of the Soviet mission to recover and collect rocketry equipment in Germany after World War II.
Interspersed with his contemporary diary entries, his language conveys the combination of joy, confusion, and often anti-climax that the end of the war presaged for Soviet representatives in Germany.
In one breath, Chertok and his team are looking for hidden caches of German matériel in an underground mine, while in another they are face to face with the deadly consequences of a soldier who had raped a young German woman (Volume I, Chapter 21). There are many such seemingly incongruous anecdotes during Chertok’s time in Germany, from the experience of visiting the Nazi slave labor camp at Dora soon after liberation in 1945, to the deportation of hundreds of German scientists to the USSR in 1946.
Read that again.
If you can't admit you have much to learn after reading that, I don't know what more I can write.
Also, to your point about the Russian government not spilling the beans, maybe you should go directly to the source instead of relying on mainstream media to tell you the truth.
Dmitry Rogozin, the head of Russia's national space agency, Roscosmos, describes a YouTube video clip he posted to Twitter in 2018-
Отвечаю на вопросы президента Молдавии: были ли американцы на Луне, зачем у @roscosmos есть истребители и трамваи и как российская космонавтика поможет молдавскому винограду?
In English-
I answer the questions of the President of Moldova: were there Americans on the moon, why @roscosmos has fighter jets and trams, and how will Russian cosmonautics help Moldovan grapes?
https://twitter.com/Rogozin/status/1066227238998298624
https://nitter.net/Rogozin/status/1066227238998298624
Here's an archived Time magazine article describing this interview (which they've since pulled offline)-
Russian Space Agency Official Jokingly Pledges to Verify American Moon Landings
Rogozin was responding to a question about whether or not NASA actually landed on the moon nearly 50 years ago. He appeared to be joking, as he smirked and shrugged while answering. But conspiracies surrounding NASA’s moon missions are common in Russia.
https://web.archive.org/web/20181125054815/https://time.com/5462672/russia-verify-american-moon-landing/
What's telling is Google/YouTube refuses to show Russian subtitles on the above video...
Meanwhile, even Newsweek admits half of the Russians they polled believe the moon landing was fake. Kek.
https://www.newsweek.com/moon-landing-hoax-russia-poll-1521595