I know a DACA person who is very conservative and supports Pres. Trump. She was brought here as a baby and is a functioning member of society. All she's ever known is American society. She's highly skilled and working on becoming a citizen. I don't think we should boot them out, but work with the good ones to keep them in the USA and help them to become citizens. Many of them are hard working, skilled, and don't sign on to the woke agenda. I would hate to throw the baby out with the bath-water.
@Pristine, I understand your point, but where does it stop?? I had prepared a response to a previous post, but will post it here since the topic is similar (the support of DACA).
(Responding to earlier post by S_N_A_K_E)
"Trump offered residency to 1.2m for the wall that got built and is being built."
--Trump had to make a deal to even get the wall started; Dems & Rinos were blocking it.
--The border wall did not get finished and is not being built by the government.
--Biden stopped the construction of the border wall, costing taxpayers billions for the cancelled contracts.
--He recently allowed building to start for some wall sections in Arizona… only to try and save Mark Kelly's ass in his Senate run. If Kelly loses, I predict the building will stop.
--Biden does not want a border wall; he only wants a wall around his home and the borders of a few select countries… all at US taxpayer expense—FACT.
"600k DACA = No other crimes"
--There have been many crimes committed by DACA immigrants, including murder & rape. Without looking it up, I don't know the stats on arrests vs. convictions.
-- Regardless, had they not been here illegally, that crime number would be ZERO.
(As for crime, I won't take up your thread with detailed crime info; I may create a new post. However, for perspective, an article from the Heritage Foundation stated, “There are 1,245 Texans who would likely still be alive today if we were securing our border and vigorously enforcing our immigration laws.” (This only reflects a 10-year reporting period, and only Texas, ending in June-2021).
"Brought as Children"
--Okay, the blame belongs to their parents, who chose to come here illegally.
--This does not justify forcing US taxpayers to support them.
"Paid $600 a year extra to the government"
--Extra to what?? Over 80% of illegals here are being supported by taxpayers.
"Some entered legally"
--Only if they came through the legal entrances and were granted asylum; not crossing the border illegally.
--If they "legitimately" came here legally, this convo does not apply.
"Speak English"
--I'm sure many have learned English.
--This does justify allowing Illegals to remain in the US,
--This does not offset the cost to taxpayers, who must provide bilingual teachers for ALL illegal students who don't speak English... and btw, Biden's new friends are coming here from 150+ countries.
"Banned for life automatically will not deter the 100k/month that don't even qualify."
--Stopping all incentives and enforcing all laws will result in deterrence.
Illegal immigration has gotten out of control, to a point of catastrophic, due to spineless and/or corrupt politicians (on both sides), who have treated it like a hot potato over the past 50+ years.
This must stop; not only is it unsustainable, but it is also an atrocious and unfair burden forced on Americans, especially taxpayers.
Again, Pristine and S_N_A_K_E, I get what you're saying. And perhaps there could be very stringent, individual exceptions (but only to this past situation and not going forward as policy).
There should not be a sweeping allowance of all DACA.
I agree.. DACA is bad. However, legislatures should work with those that could truly be productive citizens. This lady I know is no moocher, I can tell you that - brought here as an infant. I believe individuals like these should be given priority for processing and fast tracked to citizenship. Anyway, these are issues that are beyond my control. I truly hate to see good people caught up in a crummy system.
My opinion is DACA and the illegal immigration is only a symptom and not the root cause of issues between the US and Mexican border. The problem is clearly economical. The problem is clearly our evil politicians who set it up that way. The symptom is not a flaw, it's a feature for them.
For decades, US deep state politicians have been hurting both the Mexican and American people through the drug cartels. In the process, the Mexican economy and society was destroyed - and damaging our society greatly as well. Both Mexico and the US are victims of the deep state cartel.
I think Trump was on track to help Mexico become great. MMG (Make Mexico Great). This is what TRULY needs to happen to end the issue. Instead, our deep state WANTS a third world nation on our border, and the result is the mass migration to the US. This is what our oligarchs want to happen. There is simply no way for the good people of Mexico to rise up and fix their country. To travel through the nation of Mexico, you have to pay the cartel for safe passage. And to be honest, if I were in their shoes, I'd do the exact same thing.
It's easy for us to sit here and say these people (DACA) should go back to their own shit-hole country. But it's really the globohomos that destroyed their nation. I'd flee from that cartel infested shit-hole country as well. There will be no reforming it until the US drug problem is eliminated and the deep state loses its grip on the US and Mexico's throat. Everybody else on both sides of the border are just pawns in their sick game.
I know a DACA person who is very conservative and supports Pres. Trump. She was brought here as a baby and is a functioning member of society. All she's ever known is American society. She's highly skilled and working on becoming a citizen. I don't think we should boot them out, but work with the good ones to keep them in the USA and help them to become citizens. Many of them are hard working, skilled, and don't sign on to the woke agenda. I would hate to throw the baby out with the bath-water.
@Pristine, I understand your point, but where does it stop?? I had prepared a response to a previous post, but will post it here since the topic is similar (the support of DACA).
(Responding to earlier post by S_N_A_K_E)
"Trump offered residency to 1.2m for the wall that got built and is being built."
--Trump had to make a deal to even get the wall started; Dems & Rinos were blocking it.
--The border wall did not get finished and is not being built by the government.
--Biden stopped the construction of the border wall, costing taxpayers billions for the cancelled contracts.
--He recently allowed building to start for some wall sections in Arizona… only to try and save Mark Kelly's ass in his Senate run. If Kelly loses, I predict the building will stop.
--Biden does not want a border wall; he only wants a wall around his home and the borders of a few select countries… all at US taxpayer expense—FACT.
"600k DACA = No other crimes"
--There have been many crimes committed by DACA immigrants, including murder & rape. Without looking it up, I don't know the stats on arrests vs. convictions.
-- Regardless, had they not been here illegally, that crime number would be ZERO.
(As for crime, I won't take up your thread with detailed crime info; I may create a new post. However, for perspective, an article from the Heritage Foundation stated, “There are 1,245 Texans who would likely still be alive today if we were securing our border and vigorously enforcing our immigration laws.” (This only reflects a 10-year reporting period, and only Texas, ending in June-2021).
"Brought as Children"
--Okay, the blame belongs to their parents, who chose to come here illegally.
--This does not justify forcing US taxpayers to support them.
"Paid $600 a year extra to the government"
--Extra to what?? Over 80% of illegals here are being supported by taxpayers.
"Some entered legally"
--Only if they came through the legal entrances and were granted asylum; not crossing the border illegally.
--If they "legitimately" came here legally, this convo does not apply.
"Speak English"
--I'm sure many have learned English.
--This does justify allowing Illegals to remain in the US,
--This does not offset the cost to taxpayers, who must provide bilingual teachers for ALL illegal students who don't speak English... and btw, Biden's new friends are coming here from 150+ countries.
"Banned for life automatically will not deter the 100k/month that don't even qualify."
--Stopping all incentives and enforcing all laws will result in deterrence.
Illegal immigration has gotten out of control, to a point of catastrophic, due to spineless and/or corrupt politicians (on both sides), who have treated it like a hot potato over the past 50+ years.
This must stop; not only is it unsustainable, but it is also an atrocious and unfair burden forced on Americans, especially taxpayers.
Again, Pristine and S_N_A_K_E, I get what you're saying. And perhaps there could be very stringent, individual exceptions (but only to this past situation and not going forward as policy).
There should not be a sweeping allowance of all DACA.
I agree.. DACA is bad. However, legislatures should work with those that could truly be productive citizens. This lady I know is no moocher, I can tell you that - brought here as an infant. I believe individuals like these should be given priority for processing and fast tracked to citizenship. Anyway, these are issues that are beyond my control. I truly hate to see good people caught up in a crummy system.
My opinion is DACA and the illegal immigration is only a symptom and not the root cause of issues between the US and Mexican border. The problem is clearly economical. The problem is clearly our evil politicians who set it up that way. The symptom is not a flaw, it's a feature for them.
For decades, US deep state politicians have been hurting both the Mexican and American people through the drug cartels. In the process, the Mexican economy and society was destroyed - and damaging our society greatly as well. Both Mexico and the US are victims of the deep state cartel.
I think Trump was on track to help Mexico become great. MMG (Make Mexico Great). This is what TRULY needs to happen to end the issue. Instead, our deep state WANTS a third world nation on our border, and the result is the mass migration to the US. This is what our oligarchs want to happen. There is simply no way for the good people of Mexico to rise up and fix their country. To travel through the nation of Mexico, you have to pay the cartel for safe passage. And to be honest, if I were in their shoes, I'd do the exact same thing.
It's easy for us to sit here and say these people (DACA) should go back to their own shit-hole country. But it's really the globohomos that destroyed their nation. I'd flee from that cartel infested shit-hole country as well. There will be no reforming it until the US drug problem is eliminated and the deep state loses its grip on the US and Mexico's throat. Everybody else on both sides of the border are just pawns in their sick game.