I haven't even been to a church since before I can remember. I hear Christians say shit I disagree with on the daily, and toss it out as such. Likewise, I accept what I think best fits in with the Bible, i.e. the infallible Word of God. I don't have such a big ego that I think my own interpretations are perfect. I critically analyze opposing interpretations and consider them on their merits.
How the fuck was I brainwashed when I only started believing a few months ago? I continually asked God for faith, as I wanted to believe. Many of the kindest and most reasonable, logical people I came across were believers. One day, I eventually just believed (in part due to rational, logical, science-based arguments that prove the Bible and in large part due to God granting me what I asked for. Ask and ye shall receive.). I don't need you and your fake-ass bullshit that pretends to know anything about me to tell me that all the shit I've seen in my personal life just over the last few months to a year is invalid, and I was simply brainwashed by "the church" (which one btw?) I've never been to.
I don't need you to argue I'm brainwashed (and then cry when I insinuate you're delusional) by your boogeyman just because my own personal spiritual journey didn't come to the same conclusions as yours.
But I guess all Trump supports are brainwashed too. Surely, more than 1/3 of the world support what Trump is doing. I guess the colonists who came to America from England were brainwashed because surely more than 1/3 of them agreed that they wanted freedom from the crown. Your arguments are a joke.
Also, 1/3 agrees with me? The great schism disagrees with the ridiculous notion that Christians all agree with each other. The dozens of denominations disagree with the ridiculous notion that Christians all agree with each other. Jesus said that not all who say to him "Lord Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Clearly there's something more to this than "X number of people claim to be "Christians" so they all agree". Most denominations agree on the big stuff, namely that Jesus Christ is the Lord God of the Old Testament, hence being called Christians. But our capability for critical thought leads to different views on certain topics in the Bible, hence all the denominations that try to best reflect what they interpret. Almost like you know fuck-all about Christianity and it's the exact opposite of what your ignorant claims present.
The sweet spot for how many people believe something these days seems to be somewhere less than half, but more than a tenth at least. When nobody believes something, it's almost always because it's some bullshit, not because 50 guys on some dead online forum figured it all out. When almost everybody believes something, particularly when it's an official narrative (i.e. the official narrative that religious people are dumb and Christianity is evil), it's usually because it's bullshit. There are of course exceptions in both cases, but these simply prove the rule. Christianity falls in this sweet spot (even more so if you start weeding out denominations that preach false doctrines), and what you believe doesn't. That doesn't mean anything on its own, I'm not so closed-minded as to claim that, but it does give a cursory indication of what is potentially likely.
You can't argue what I say, so you simply attack instead. You continually ignore my points on your ignorance of Christianity to instead jump to some other nonsense argument. You've wholly ignored my entire argument on the need for an objective truth vs something that can only be verified internally. You clearly have nothing to say other than peddle your own beliefs. I've peddled my beliefs too (though most of my arguments), the difference is I've posed arguments and reasons why I think my beliefs outweigh yours. You've simply attacked and invalidated any view that doesn't agree with yours.
You're an ignorant fool stuck in your beliefs who is unable to accept that your bigoted view on religious folk is imaginary and that they didn't all get brainwashed by some boogeyman "church" (russia russia russia anyone? Got a problem? Blame the (mythical magical imaginary) church!).
Also, here's an idea: if your beings really exist, God created them. Maybe they're angels, maybe they're demons, maybe they're something else entirely that our current world knows nothing about. I don't know, but I can't rule out the possibility because I'm capable of intelligent thought and don't elevate my own knowledge above that of the all-knowing God I know created everything. Go ahead and prove your beings exist, and I'll go ahead and have faith in the God who created them, you, and me.
As for explaining my view on God: Sorry, but kindly fuck off, and I don't think I will. I was considering it, but it's apparent now that if I do I'll just get slapped again with "hurr durr cookie cutter church response hurr durr". You only ever wanted to know so you could accuse me of some bullshit, and only persist in bringing it up due to your intellectual dishonesty.
And it's not my fault you don't understand what an objective belief system is. Sorry, but there's only so much variation possible when a group of people agrees on an objective interpretation of something.
We're at an impasse for sure, the impasse of your inability for intellectual debate.
I haven't even been to a church since before I can remember. I hear Christians say shit I disagree with on the daily, and toss it out as such. Likewise, I accept what I think best fits in with the Bible, i.e. the infallible Word of God. I don't have such a big ego that I think my own interpretations are perfect. I critically analyze opposing interpretations and consider them on their merits.
How the fuck was I brainwashed when I only started believing a few months ago? I continually asked God for faith, as I wanted to believe. Many of the kindest and most reasonable, logical people I came across were believers. One day, I eventually just believed (in part due to rational, logical, science-based arguments that prove the Bible and in large part due to God granting me what I asked for. Ask and ye shall receive.). I don't need you and your fake-ass bullshit that pretends to know anything about me to tell me that all the shit I've seen in my personal life just over the last few months to a year is invalid, and I was simply brainwashed by "the church" (which one btw?) I've never been to.
I don't need you to argue I'm brainwashed (and then cry when I insinuate you're delusional) by your boogeyman just because my own personal spiritual journey didn't come to the same conclusions as yours.
But I guess all Trump supports are brainwashed too. Surely, more than 1/3 of the world support what Trump is doing. I guess the colonists who came to America from England were brainwashed because surely more than 1/3 of them agreed that they wanted freedom from the crown. Your arguments are a joke.
Also, 1/3 agrees with me? The great schism disagrees with the ridiculous notion that Christians all agree with each other. The dozens of denominations disagree with the ridiculous notion that Christians all agree with each other. Jesus said that not all who say to him "Lord Lord" will enter the kingdom of heaven. Clearly there's something more to this than "X number of people claim to be "Christians" so they all agree". Most denominations agree on the big stuff, namely that Jesus Christ is the Lord God of the Old Testament, hence being called Christians. But our capability for critical thought leads to different views on certain topics in the Bible, hence all the denominations that try to best reflect what they interpret. Almost like you know fuck-all about Christianity and it's the exact opposite of what your ignorant claims present.
The sweet spot for how many people believe something these days seems to be somewhere less than half, but more than a tenth at least. When nobody believes something, it's almost always because it's some bullshit, not because 50 guys on some dead online forum figured it all out. When almost everybody believes something, particularly when it's an official narrative (i.e. the official narrative that religious people are dumb and Christianity is evil), it's usually because it's bullshit. There are of course exceptions in both cases, but these simply prove the rule. Christianity falls in this sweet spot (even more so if you start weeding out denominations that preach false doctrines), and what you believe doesn't. That doesn't mean anything on its own, I'm not so closed-minded as to claim that, but it does give a cursory indication of what is potentially likely.
You can't argue what I say, so you simply attack instead. You continually ignore my points on your ignorance of Christianity to instead jump to some other nonsense argument. You've wholly ignored my entire argument on the need for an objective truth vs something that can only be verified internally. You clearly have nothing to say other than peddle your own beliefs. I've peddled my beliefs too (though most of my arguments), the difference is I've posed arguments and reasons why I think my beliefs outweigh yours. You've simply attacked and invalidated any view that doesn't agree with yours.
You're an ignorant fool stuck in your beliefs who is unable to accept that your bigoted view on religious folk is imaginary and that they didn't all get brainwashed by some boogeyman "church" (russia russia russia anyone? Got a problem? Blame the (mythical magical imaginary) church!).
Also, here's an idea: if your beings really exist, God created them. Maybe they're angels, maybe they're demons, maybe they're something else entirely that our current world knows nothing about. I don't know, but I can't rule out the possibility because I'm capable of intelligent thought and don't elevate my own knowledge above that of the all-knowing God I know created everything. Go ahead and prove your beings exist, and I'll go ahead and have faith in the God who created them, you, and me.
As for explaining my view on God: Sorry, but kindly fuck off, and I don't think I will. I was considering it, but it's apparent now that if I do I'll just get slapped again with "hurr durr cookie cutter church response hurr durr". You only ever wanted to know so you could accuse me of some bullshit, and only persist in bringing it up due to your intellectual dishonesty.
And it's not my fault you don't understand what an objective belief system is. Sorry, but there's only so much variation possible when a group of people agrees on an objective interpretation of something.
We're at an impasse for sure, the impasse of your inability for intellectual debate.
Then be quiet.
Thanks for proving my point. Enjoy your time reburying your head in the sand where your beliefs aren't challenged.
Says the guy whose beliefs mirror at least 3 billion others. Lol you're like a parasite who can't quit trying. Or a child.
Here you go lad. I give you the final word. Have at it.