Moral expectations? It's their legal right as businesses in America. They get to decide what happens within their property, be it physical or digital. Forcing them to allow certain things to happen would be censorship.
It's not that they should censor everyone, it's that the alternative is itself government censorship. There is no functional difference between the government forcing a business to not let people say certain things in their establishment, and the government forcing a business to let people say certain things in their establishment.
If you come into my old timey soda pop shoppe and start breaking all the clearly posted "No Anachronism" signs by talking about how much you love cell phones and legally enforced desegregation, I have the right to boot you right out the door, even though there's no law against anachronism. It's my property. If you want to dictate what people can do in places they own, try a communist country instead.
I never said I wanted any business owner or online space to be forced to allow freedom of speech. That'd be like forcing a Christian cake shop to make a cake for a gay couple (or whatever it was).
2nd paragraph I'm having a real hard time following. Might be cuz I'm at the end of my overnight shift though.
It would be pretty fun to work at one of those places though lol.
I'm still failing to see the moral expectations. Are you just saying you want companies to want the same things as you? I mean, it's nice to want things but that's no inherent moral imperative. In the same way as one could argue that if you don't want to be told you can't have a cake, don't go to that cake shop - if you don't like how a platform polices its own content, go to a different platform.
Good luck on the rest of your graveyard! Did you have to work an extra hour last Sunday? That was the most annoying thing about night work for me - DST ending no longer meant an extra hour of sleep, but instead a 13-hour work night.
Well I think it's very important. I was just saying that I would like people with authority (like mods) to allow free speech on their own, because it's the right thing to do. And even more so at a place like this. Like what if there was a point where we could've figured out something important but censorship messed it all up...
Yeah I got the extra hour but I didn't mind. I'm a gated community gatehouse guard so literally 95+% of my night is just watching videos online and visiting internet forums.
What, in your mind, would be the difference between moderation and censorship? Should there be no moderation? This board, based on the horror stories the mods tell, would just be overrun with people trying to make discussion as difficult and unpleasant as possible.
I see your point about missing something important due to blocked posts/users, but important things can also be missed when they are buried under mountains of bullshit, and everyone who isn't a troll is too busy shoveling poop to pay attention.
Free Speech absolutism is an interesting value, but there's a reason why even in a world where it is easy and cheap to create your own space for business and discussion, very few places actually allow extreme free speech. And that reason is that it doesn't really work to create any atmosphere other than that of 8kun. There's a reason why, despite freedom of expression being in the First Amendment, we have long had laws against impersonations, threats, invoking false threats, libel, child porn, slander, insider trading, and treason.
At the end of the day, this board is all about something that started on 4chan, and then moved to the even less moderated 8chan (now 8kun). If you want to discuss Q without moderation, the original source is right there. But this is a board with a specific focus and a specific aim, and those simply cannot be maintained on the internet with moderation or a paywall.
Oh man, that... Well I was gonna say that your job seems better than my factory one, but I really do like how much walking I get done in the multi-floor fabrication facility. Not sure I could do the "spend all night in a small box" thing, even with self-entertainment. Keep on keepin' on!
Moral expectations? It's their legal right as businesses in America. They get to decide what happens within their property, be it physical or digital. Forcing them to allow certain things to happen would be censorship.
It's not that they should censor everyone, it's that the alternative is itself government censorship. There is no functional difference between the government forcing a business to not let people say certain things in their establishment, and the government forcing a business to let people say certain things in their establishment.
If you come into my old timey soda pop shoppe and start breaking all the clearly posted "No Anachronism" signs by talking about how much you love cell phones and legally enforced desegregation, I have the right to boot you right out the door, even though there's no law against anachronism. It's my property. If you want to dictate what people can do in places they own, try a communist country instead.
I never said I wanted any business owner or online space to be forced to allow freedom of speech. That'd be like forcing a Christian cake shop to make a cake for a gay couple (or whatever it was).
2nd paragraph I'm having a real hard time following. Might be cuz I'm at the end of my overnight shift though.
It would be pretty fun to work at one of those places though lol.
I'm still failing to see the moral expectations. Are you just saying you want companies to want the same things as you? I mean, it's nice to want things but that's no inherent moral imperative. In the same way as one could argue that if you don't want to be told you can't have a cake, don't go to that cake shop - if you don't like how a platform polices its own content, go to a different platform.
Good luck on the rest of your graveyard! Did you have to work an extra hour last Sunday? That was the most annoying thing about night work for me - DST ending no longer meant an extra hour of sleep, but instead a 13-hour work night.
Well I think it's very important. I was just saying that I would like people with authority (like mods) to allow free speech on their own, because it's the right thing to do. And even more so at a place like this. Like what if there was a point where we could've figured out something important but censorship messed it all up...
Yeah I got the extra hour but I didn't mind. I'm a gated community gatehouse guard so literally 95+% of my night is just watching videos online and visiting internet forums.
What, in your mind, would be the difference between moderation and censorship? Should there be no moderation? This board, based on the horror stories the mods tell, would just be overrun with people trying to make discussion as difficult and unpleasant as possible.
I see your point about missing something important due to blocked posts/users, but important things can also be missed when they are buried under mountains of bullshit, and everyone who isn't a troll is too busy shoveling poop to pay attention.
Free Speech absolutism is an interesting value, but there's a reason why even in a world where it is easy and cheap to create your own space for business and discussion, very few places actually allow extreme free speech. And that reason is that it doesn't really work to create any atmosphere other than that of 8kun. There's a reason why, despite freedom of expression being in the First Amendment, we have long had laws against impersonations, threats, invoking false threats, libel, child porn, slander, insider trading, and treason.
At the end of the day, this board is all about something that started on 4chan, and then moved to the even less moderated 8chan (now 8kun). If you want to discuss Q without moderation, the original source is right there. But this is a board with a specific focus and a specific aim, and those simply cannot be maintained on the internet with moderation or a paywall.
Oh man, that... Well I was gonna say that your job seems better than my factory one, but I really do like how much walking I get done in the multi-floor fabrication facility. Not sure I could do the "spend all night in a small box" thing, even with self-entertainment. Keep on keepin' on!