Along with a body comes Strong emotions.. negative and positive...shame guilt worry fear anger..greed arrogance being classed as worst.... all negative emotions...positive emotions like kindness compassion empathy understanding forgiveness tolerance not have a raging ego..I say this as humility now has a different connotation . The story of a rich man not able to enter kingdom of heaven is about a man rich in ego ...not money ...
our task is to learn to control the emotions..they are like rampaging elephants...not to bury them but control.. no easy task given the situations that arise. Doing this allows the conquering of ego..it has its place..but it must not come first...
To forgive YOUR SELF when you fall short as we all do..is to allow you to forgive others.
You can tell someone who projects their lack of forgiveness on others..condemning and judging and arrogantly assuming they will inherit the kingdom..when they are so far away from it.
The same thing with love..only when you learn about yourself..KNOW THYSELF ..and forgive and love your SELF can you then love others.
I would recommend krishnamurti who says truth is a pathless land and everyone's path is different....to know yourself is the highest commandment..the I AM....
I would recommend krishnamurti who says truth is a pathless land and everyone's path is different....to know yourself is the highest commandment..the I AM....
How is this not the very lie Satan told in the Garden of Eden?
Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
You people!! Condemning others..you have no idea hat krishnamurti did behind closed doors but you want to denigrate everyone who doesn't hnk as you do..you give religion the bad name It has
I want to re-highlight what ThePowerOfPrayer quoted. Not ganging up on you, I highly doubt he'll agree with what I'm going to say.
I would recommend krishnamurti who says truth is a pathless land and everyone's path is different....to know yourself is the highest commandment..the I AM....
Don't let pride (luciferic influence) lead you to poopoo this:
Believing that truth is pathless, is subjective, is extremely dangerous. Living in your own truth is the Luciferic impulse. He wants you to lift the veil without accepting the objectively true path and thus having no way to orient yourself in eternity. He wants you develop your self (ego, individuality), then to lose yourself.
In contrast, for reference, the Satanic impulse is to never lift the veil at all. To never self actualize. To never have a self, or to destroy yourself (ego death, oneness).
It's easy to show that Truth is not subjective. To say "Truth is subjective" is an objective statement. It can not be correct.
I don't disagree with the general sentiment here. Christ helps us avoid the emotions (spiritual influences) that hamper our chances of attaining the eternal. He helps us overcome our worldly programming that we share with animals. Our emotions and feelings (spiritual influences) who control us. Fear, hunger, pride, shame (inverse pride), etc, stand in the way of our freedom. They exist to control us. They keep us in a cycle, keep playing hot potato with us, passing us from one emotional state to another, from pain to pleasure and back again, in a vortex toward the Earth.
Metaphorically, Christ gives us the ability to not touch a hot stove without ceding control to the fear of being burned. We punish ourselves with shame after we've erred, subconsciously justifying this as something we deserve, that we need. We allow Shame to come into us, as we go into Shame, because we think it's what's needed in order to avoid repeating the mistake.
Christ became sin (your error, the vector separating you from the I AM), overcame Fear and Shame (the experience of that separation), giving us the option to choose him instead of them. Just like the I AM, Christ is now within us. He became part of humanity in order to save us from the spirits we give ourselves over to under duress. He is always connected to the I AM, your I AM, even as we spin away from from God and from ourselves, and therefore our connection is always maintained.
Just LARP it, no need to trust me. Next time you're feeling anything that is separating you from the I AM, think about how Christ became that separation. The separation is now your return path. Now we can assert our freedom over the spirits of punishment (or reward) that keep us aiming too low (or high). He overcame them, enveloped them, so that you need not give yourself over to them. Now instead of being guided by pain & pleasure, shame & pride, etc., you can freely (and only through freedom) choose Truth & Love, thus remaining connected to your I AM.
but in any case it's YOUR job to overcome the lower emotions..work your way up through the higher chakras....this is what we are here to do...transform energies. ...not have a Christ intervene and interfere in it if that were possible which it isn't.
I don't understand your explanation of the I AM
.....gurdjieff wrote a book...life is real...only then...when I AM. (real)
When you are your authentic self...real then you can live a real life. You have got rid of ..let's call them sub personalities and your lower emotions .....be master in your house.
You have undergone the mental war...the jihad ..the head and the heart are in harmony..there are no inner arguments...there is inner peace...
Hope I am making this understandable
People live in a fantasy world...not the real world . They live in their heads. They think they are the name they were given...that they were born...that they die....this inauthentic self rules their life...their desires rule them..sex money power ambition etc .the lower chakras rule.
..the Jesuits say give me a child from one to seven and I will give you the man....it's true in most cases. The child believes what he sees and hears..about religion...the history of the world and his place in it.. he will repeat this cycle for the rest of his life. He will copy and parrot his parents his priests the propaganda on TV..he will think the words he says belong to him. The I AM .but they do not.
..the inauthentic self copies everything he sees and hears believing it to be true....all the false histories..the lies of religion..where we came and where we are going etc ..that cycle repeats until you die..still mentally that child.
You have to go inside.yourself....the kingdom of heaven is within you..not in some heaven......in the gospel of Thomas it talks about if thine i. is single thy body shall be full of light....your third eye..the pineal gland connects us to higher worlds
.we don't need some human to murder himself to save us even if that where possible......it's our job to save ourselves and no one can do it for us..
For someone to act as a human sacrifice would have a very negative effect wouldn it? The recipients would feel full of guilt shame and anger..all emotions that would be projected out into the world...negative emotions ....it would also prevent work on oneself wouldn't it?
Yes it does.so I see religion and men in frocks to be wicked people intent on keeping children that they can control for money and power..childish things..
You will die a child playing with your toys unless YOU work. ...
Again, I don't generally disagree with anything you've said. Hear me out and really meditate on the previous post I wrote. I worded it specifically to show you that you're more right than wrong.
Living in Christ is nothing like most Christians imagine. They generally think I'm under Satan's influence if I open my mouth around them. They tend to disagree with me more than you do.
But in reality, it's' much closer to the concepts you're talking about than the traditions and dogma to which most Christians adhere.
I came to Christ as someone who didn't believe in any form of spirituality. But then miracles started happening in front of my eyes, daily. One of them had a probability of occurrence of 1/54 trillion (the others aren't as precisely calculable). I have no reason to lie to you. I just want you to know that this is possible for you too.
Why not open the door to having it proven to you, too? If you are open to it, just go through each of your beliefs and to each assign an estimate of the probability that it's correct. Think about them and adjust the numbers. Try to find arguments to increase or decrease your numbers.
You sound very certain of your conclusions. Maintaining uncertainty is the key to wisdom. The Bible is not what you (or most Christians) think it is. Read it as if it's a riddle and things will pop out at you.
If you set your beliefs in stone like the 10 commandments were, they will fall like overripe fruit, shattering on the ground..
You speak as if you know I have not read it....wrong....
Certainly agree with never settling for a belief....it means closing your mind to other ideas..knowledge..information....having a closed. Mind is poison...
It's clear you haven't taken in a word I said..you are so sure you are right.....
You can have synchronicities and miracles without the word Christ coming into the equation....I have had them all my life
The Bible is written on many levels.
I don't call myself a Christian....
The Jesus Christ talked about in the Bible..the only begotten son of Yahweh..an alien...one of the elohim who landed on mount Hebron..a total psychopath who passed his slaves firstborn baby and animal through the fire to show them who was lord..look it up....
Ransomed them..exact price in Deuteronomy...laid down the usury system so Israel that he ruled over..the world having been split into sections all ruled by annuk as the Bible calls them..or elohim....would always be dominant in the world. As they still are.
Jesus's job was to rescue the lost tribe of Israel..not to start a religion....he failed in his task which he had to take up after his cousin John the Baptist was killed.
He became the seventeenth saviour of the world...the redeemer...save our souls look them up. ..
It certainly seems that he was set up by yahweh and other elohim who said they had something in mind for him.......said the same to his mother and her mother too..all hybrids..all from the royal line of David....
Too much to go into..you can read my comments if you are interested enough..but as all the religions were set up about the same time frame I think it was a control mechanism by the elohim as there became too many to keep killing..although they never stopped killing too...
So many lies...so much still unclear..so many sumerian clay tablets still not deciphered...we will have to wait aeons probably for the truth but I doubt the Jesus religion will survive.
Did you know about tulkas? Look them up....and know that the Buddhists know all about them and they can become living breathing entities....
Forgiven by whom?
Along with a body comes Strong emotions.. negative and positive...shame guilt worry fear anger..greed arrogance being classed as worst.... all negative emotions...positive emotions like kindness compassion empathy understanding forgiveness tolerance not have a raging ego..I say this as humility now has a different connotation . The story of a rich man not able to enter kingdom of heaven is about a man rich in ego ...not money ...
our task is to learn to control the emotions..they are like rampaging elephants...not to bury them but control.. no easy task given the situations that arise. Doing this allows the conquering of ego..it has its place..but it must not come first...
To forgive YOUR SELF when you fall short as we all do..is to allow you to forgive others.
You can tell someone who projects their lack of forgiveness on others..condemning and judging and arrogantly assuming they will inherit the kingdom..when they are so far away from it.
The same thing with love..only when you learn about yourself..KNOW THYSELF ..and forgive and love your SELF can you then love others.
I would recommend krishnamurti who says truth is a pathless land and everyone's path is different....to know yourself is the highest commandment..the I AM....
If what you're saying is correct and heaven is indeed mythical, why does it matter if people believe it does?
What harm comes from following the ten commandments and loving your neighbor as yourself?
Sounds to me like you're claiming "spiritual growth" is what one is missing out on.
And so what?
Should I follow Krishnamurti and the other Theosophists and Jesuits who worship Satan behind closed doors?
Should one not question why Krishnamurti was awarded the UN Peace Medal in 1984?
Should one "Open the door" to those forces through transcendental meditation, as Krishnamurti suggests?
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=iG2hHtxiXyoC
How is this not the very lie Satan told in the Garden of Eden?
Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
You people!! Condemning others..you have no idea hat krishnamurti did behind closed doors but you want to denigrate everyone who doesn't hnk as you do..you give religion the bad name It has
I can read his writings. Seems to be theosophy to me.
Why can't you explain what they really mean if that's incorrect?
And why don't you have control over your emotions? Does that mean you're doomed to reincarnation or something if you don't?
And is ego as much of a construct as gender is? What exactly are you trying to say here?
And why isn't symbolism Krishnamurti's downfall? Or does that only apply to the Deep State?
Krishnamurti walked away from theosophy and every other religion.
I do have control of my emotions..you seem . To Be projecting yours on to what I write
I want to re-highlight what ThePowerOfPrayer quoted. Not ganging up on you, I highly doubt he'll agree with what I'm going to say.
Don't let pride (luciferic influence) lead you to poopoo this:
Believing that truth is pathless, is subjective, is extremely dangerous. Living in your own truth is the Luciferic impulse. He wants you to lift the veil without accepting the objectively true path and thus having no way to orient yourself in eternity. He wants you develop your self (ego, individuality), then to lose yourself.
In contrast, for reference, the Satanic impulse is to never lift the veil at all. To never self actualize. To never have a self, or to destroy yourself (ego death, oneness).
It's easy to show that Truth is not subjective. To say "Truth is subjective" is an objective statement. It can not be correct.
He wants you to lift the veil...so now you know what the devil is thinking too...
Bye Felicia
I don't disagree with the general sentiment here. Christ helps us avoid the emotions (spiritual influences) that hamper our chances of attaining the eternal. He helps us overcome our worldly programming that we share with animals. Our emotions and feelings (spiritual influences) who control us. Fear, hunger, pride, shame (inverse pride), etc, stand in the way of our freedom. They exist to control us. They keep us in a cycle, keep playing hot potato with us, passing us from one emotional state to another, from pain to pleasure and back again, in a vortex toward the Earth.
Metaphorically, Christ gives us the ability to not touch a hot stove without ceding control to the fear of being burned. We punish ourselves with shame after we've erred, subconsciously justifying this as something we deserve, that we need. We allow Shame to come into us, as we go into Shame, because we think it's what's needed in order to avoid repeating the mistake.
Christ became sin (your error, the vector separating you from the I AM), overcame Fear and Shame (the experience of that separation), giving us the option to choose him instead of them. Just like the I AM, Christ is now within us. He became part of humanity in order to save us from the spirits we give ourselves over to under duress. He is always connected to the I AM, your I AM, even as we spin away from from God and from ourselves, and therefore our connection is always maintained.
Just LARP it, no need to trust me. Next time you're feeling anything that is separating you from the I AM, think about how Christ became that separation. The separation is now your return path. Now we can assert our freedom over the spirits of punishment (or reward) that keep us aiming too low (or high). He overcame them, enveloped them, so that you need not give yourself over to them. Now instead of being guided by pain & pleasure, shame & pride, etc., you can freely (and only through freedom) choose Truth & Love, thus remaining connected to your I AM.
This Christ doesn't exist.....
but in any case it's YOUR job to overcome the lower emotions..work your way up through the higher chakras....this is what we are here to do...transform energies. ...not have a Christ intervene and interfere in it if that were possible which it isn't.
I don't understand your explanation of the I AM
.....gurdjieff wrote a book...life is real...only then...when I AM. (real)
When you are your authentic self...real then you can live a real life. You have got rid of ..let's call them sub personalities and your lower emotions .....be master in your house.
You have undergone the mental war...the jihad ..the head and the heart are in harmony..there are no inner arguments...there is inner peace...
Hope I am making this understandable
People live in a fantasy world...not the real world . They live in their heads. They think they are the name they were given...that they were born...that they die....this inauthentic self rules their life...their desires rule them..sex money power ambition etc .the lower chakras rule.
..the Jesuits say give me a child from one to seven and I will give you the man....it's true in most cases. The child believes what he sees and hears..about religion...the history of the world and his place in it.. he will repeat this cycle for the rest of his life. He will copy and parrot his parents his priests the propaganda on TV..he will think the words he says belong to him. The I AM .but they do not.
..the inauthentic self copies everything he sees and hears believing it to be true....all the false histories..the lies of religion..where we came and where we are going etc ..that cycle repeats until you die..still mentally that child.
You have to go inside.yourself....the kingdom of heaven is within you..not in some heaven......in the gospel of Thomas it talks about if thine i. is single thy body shall be full of light....your third eye..the pineal gland connects us to higher worlds
.we don't need some human to murder himself to save us even if that where possible......it's our job to save ourselves and no one can do it for us..
For someone to act as a human sacrifice would have a very negative effect wouldn it? The recipients would feel full of guilt shame and anger..all emotions that would be projected out into the world...negative emotions ....it would also prevent work on oneself wouldn't it?
Yes it does.so I see religion and men in frocks to be wicked people intent on keeping children that they can control for money and power..childish things..
You will die a child playing with your toys unless YOU work. ...
Again, I don't generally disagree with anything you've said. Hear me out and really meditate on the previous post I wrote. I worded it specifically to show you that you're more right than wrong.
Living in Christ is nothing like most Christians imagine. They generally think I'm under Satan's influence if I open my mouth around them. They tend to disagree with me more than you do.
But in reality, it's' much closer to the concepts you're talking about than the traditions and dogma to which most Christians adhere.
I came to Christ as someone who didn't believe in any form of spirituality. But then miracles started happening in front of my eyes, daily. One of them had a probability of occurrence of 1/54 trillion (the others aren't as precisely calculable). I have no reason to lie to you. I just want you to know that this is possible for you too.
Why not open the door to having it proven to you, too? If you are open to it, just go through each of your beliefs and to each assign an estimate of the probability that it's correct. Think about them and adjust the numbers. Try to find arguments to increase or decrease your numbers.
You sound very certain of your conclusions. Maintaining uncertainty is the key to wisdom. The Bible is not what you (or most Christians) think it is. Read it as if it's a riddle and things will pop out at you.
If you set your beliefs in stone like the 10 commandments were, they will fall like overripe fruit, shattering on the ground..
You speak as if you know I have not read it....wrong....
Certainly agree with never settling for a belief....it means closing your mind to other ideas..knowledge..information....having a closed. Mind is poison...
It's clear you haven't taken in a word I said..you are so sure you are right.....
You can have synchronicities and miracles without the word Christ coming into the equation....I have had them all my life
The Bible is written on many levels.
I don't call myself a Christian....
The Jesus Christ talked about in the Bible..the only begotten son of Yahweh..an alien...one of the elohim who landed on mount Hebron..a total psychopath who passed his slaves firstborn baby and animal through the fire to show them who was lord..look it up.... Ransomed them..exact price in Deuteronomy...laid down the usury system so Israel that he ruled over..the world having been split into sections all ruled by annuk as the Bible calls them..or elohim....would always be dominant in the world. As they still are.
Jesus's job was to rescue the lost tribe of Israel..not to start a religion....he failed in his task which he had to take up after his cousin John the Baptist was killed.
He became the seventeenth saviour of the world...the redeemer...save our souls look them up. ..
It certainly seems that he was set up by yahweh and other elohim who said they had something in mind for him.......said the same to his mother and her mother too..all hybrids..all from the royal line of David....
Too much to go into..you can read my comments if you are interested enough..but as all the religions were set up about the same time frame I think it was a control mechanism by the elohim as there became too many to keep killing..although they never stopped killing too...
So many lies...so much still unclear..so many sumerian clay tablets still not deciphered...we will have to wait aeons probably for the truth but I doubt the Jesus religion will survive.
Did you know about tulkas? Look them up....and know that the Buddhists know all about them and they can become living breathing entities....
.