I was impressed that she was fairly relaxed about it, but could also tell she had concerns. I've talked to her about the jabs -- very carefully -- and about various supplements she and her husband could take to protect and strengthen their cardiovascular, immune, and neurological systems, and why -- jabbed or not -- it would make sense for people in their 50s / 60s to do so.

In our first conversation, she said "But don't scare me." She is basically a conservative person who is focused primarily on her family and work, and not at all a Woke, pro-coercion lib.

The whole "died suddenly" issue -- the Stew Peters film, the tweets, comments everywhere, news items, and so on -- is, I think, having a huge effect on normies. It's taken awhile, but things are happening.