...the elephant in the room no one is mentioning is,"where is Ukraine going to fly these planes from?
...any airbase in country will immediately be taken out by Russia, which leaves them flying out of, let's say Poland, and that gives the green light for Russia to do bad things there...
...one other point is that it takes a minimum of 6 months to retrain a pilot to fly an f16...
A lot of areas outside and around said airfields are already taken over our are on the verge of being taken over by Russia. But, more importantly, it takes on average 2 yrs to train fighter pilots. It isn't an easy thing to fly those planes, let alone fight with them. So, my question is, where is Ukraine going to get the pilots from? Even the PMCs that have contracts over there don't have jet fighters or qualified pilots.
Seems to me Zelensky is begging for them as a smoke screen for more money laundering ops, or possibly trying to get them so he can then say, "Hey, we need pilots now." This is paving the way for U.S./UK/NATO involvement. Aka, WWIII.
UK: "Listen, Ukraine, we understand your concern about the situation with Russia, but acquiring fighter jets is not a simple matter. It involves much more than just receiving the aircraft itself. Have you considered the logistics and support that come with it?"
Ukraine: "But we need them now! We can't wait any longer. Give us the F-16s, give us the Tornadoes! We can't keep relying on outdated equipment. Russia is a threat and we) need to defend ourselves."
UK: "I understand your urgency, but it's not that simple. Fielding a fighter jet effectively requires much more than just the aircraft. It requires air defense systems, logistics personnel, maintenance personnel, and specialized equipment to support all the weapons systems, among other things."
Ukraine: "But the other countries have them! Why can't you give them to us too?"
UK: "Each country's defense needs are different. The acquisition of fighter jets is a complex process that involves a long-term commitment from both the seller and the buyer. It's not as easy as just handing over the jets. You need to consider the training and support required to effectively operate and maintain them."
Ukraine: "Fine, just give us what we need. We can't wait any longer!"
UK: "I understand your frustration, but we need to be sure that you have the infrastructure and personnel in place to support these advanced weapons systems. Otherwise, they won't be effective."
It's crazy. In terms of supporting missiles, there is a lot more involved than just sending them over in a box. For example, there would need to be logistics personnel to maintain and repair the missiles, as well as to transport and store them. Additionally, there would need to be training for the personnel that will be operating the missiles to ensure they can effectively use them in a real-world scenario.
Regarding air defense systems, the same sort of considerations would apply. The systems would need to be installed and maintained by specialized personnel, and there would need to be training for the personnel who will be operating the systems. Additionally, there would need to be support equipment and spare parts available, as well as a plan for how the systems will be integrated into the overall air defense network. The UK would need to ensure that the air defense systems provided to Ukraine would be able to effectively integrate with the existing systems already in place, and that they would be able to provide adequate protection against potential threats...
You don't need any support,if your not going to fly them that long.... Russian ww2 tanks were total prices of crap,but they knew they would be knocked out in the first 50 miles,so it didn't really matter.
The same can be said about tanks, ESPECIALLY Abrams tanks... a shitload of infrastructure, care and feeding, parts replacement, and a year of training to operate the things.
With the large amount of logistical support for warplanes they are better off getting more on ground stuff like ATGMs and other heavy anti tank weapons. Amount of money for one warplane would be a lot of those instead.
It makes sense when you remember the Ukraine war is just a money laundering operation. Likely find those jets being sold to rogue governments on the black market.
if zelynski was planning to use Kamakazee suicide tactics, he wouldn't need fully trained pilots, ground support or spare parts, would he?
A "pilot" who only needs to take off and drive it while it's auto-pilot is programmed for a destination, won't need 3 years of training. Landing or air combat skills not required.
...the elephant in the room no one is mentioning is,"where is Ukraine going to fly these planes from?
...any airbase in country will immediately be taken out by Russia, which leaves them flying out of, let's say Poland, and that gives the green light for Russia to do bad things there...
...one other point is that it takes a minimum of 6 months to retrain a pilot to fly an f16...
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-pilots-would-need-six-months-f-16-combat-training-2023-01-27/
...the war will be over by then....
A lot of areas outside and around said airfields are already taken over our are on the verge of being taken over by Russia. But, more importantly, it takes on average 2 yrs to train fighter pilots. It isn't an easy thing to fly those planes, let alone fight with them. So, my question is, where is Ukraine going to get the pilots from? Even the PMCs that have contracts over there don't have jet fighters or qualified pilots.
Seems to me Zelensky is begging for them as a smoke screen for more money laundering ops, or possibly trying to get them so he can then say, "Hey, we need pilots now." This is paving the way for U.S./UK/NATO involvement. Aka, WWIII.
...I heard 36 months but I could not find sauce on that so I went with what I went with....
...compelling observation...
I coached ChatGPT to explain it:
UK: "Listen, Ukraine, we understand your concern about the situation with Russia, but acquiring fighter jets is not a simple matter. It involves much more than just receiving the aircraft itself. Have you considered the logistics and support that come with it?"
Ukraine: "But we need them now! We can't wait any longer. Give us the F-16s, give us the Tornadoes! We can't keep relying on outdated equipment. Russia is a threat and we) need to defend ourselves."
UK: "I understand your urgency, but it's not that simple. Fielding a fighter jet effectively requires much more than just the aircraft. It requires air defense systems, logistics personnel, maintenance personnel, and specialized equipment to support all the weapons systems, among other things."
Ukraine: "But the other countries have them! Why can't you give them to us too?"
UK: "Each country's defense needs are different. The acquisition of fighter jets is a complex process that involves a long-term commitment from both the seller and the buyer. It's not as easy as just handing over the jets. You need to consider the training and support required to effectively operate and maintain them."
Ukraine: "Fine, just give us what we need. We can't wait any longer!"
UK: "I understand your frustration, but we need to be sure that you have the infrastructure and personnel in place to support these advanced weapons systems. Otherwise, they won't be effective."
It's crazy. In terms of supporting missiles, there is a lot more involved than just sending them over in a box. For example, there would need to be logistics personnel to maintain and repair the missiles, as well as to transport and store them. Additionally, there would need to be training for the personnel that will be operating the missiles to ensure they can effectively use them in a real-world scenario.
Regarding air defense systems, the same sort of considerations would apply. The systems would need to be installed and maintained by specialized personnel, and there would need to be training for the personnel who will be operating the systems. Additionally, there would need to be support equipment and spare parts available, as well as a plan for how the systems will be integrated into the overall air defense network. The UK would need to ensure that the air defense systems provided to Ukraine would be able to effectively integrate with the existing systems already in place, and that they would be able to provide adequate protection against potential threats...
You don't need any support,if your not going to fly them that long.... Russian ww2 tanks were total prices of crap,but they knew they would be knocked out in the first 50 miles,so it didn't really matter.
The same can be said about tanks, ESPECIALLY Abrams tanks... a shitload of infrastructure, care and feeding, parts replacement, and a year of training to operate the things.
With the large amount of logistical support for warplanes they are better off getting more on ground stuff like ATGMs and other heavy anti tank weapons. Amount of money for one warplane would be a lot of those instead.
It makes sense when you remember the Ukraine war is just a money laundering operation. Likely find those jets being sold to rogue governments on the black market.
if zelynski was planning to use Kamakazee suicide tactics, he wouldn't need fully trained pilots, ground support or spare parts, would he? A "pilot" who only needs to take off and drive it while it's auto-pilot is programmed for a destination, won't need 3 years of training. Landing or air combat skills not required.