People from different sects agreeing doesn't change the fact that there is no exhaustive list in Scripture of "core tenents" that a Church must follow to be true.
And in the Orthodox view, we don't appeal to textual critics and scholars to discern which doctrines are correct. We have the Councils for a reason, like the one in Acts 15. The idea of leaving it to "Bible pros" and textual scholars is an idea from the reformation. It's what led to the thousands of different denominations schisming and splitting from each other, its the reason we have to have this discussion.
Also you appeal to St. Augustine and Aquinas, but these people agree with me that there is only One True Church. The reason we have thousands of Protestant denominations in the first place is because we've separated Scripture from the Church and instead left it to textual critics and scholars.
There’s one true church. But there are many churches today, some are true churches, some are not. The core tenets are things that separate the Christian faith from false religions that appear like Christianity. Things like Jesus is God, that there is a trinity. Things like salvation is from Jesus Christ and his death on the cross alone. There’s a fairly long list, but it leaves many things to interpretation, because many things have not specifically been said. I said to look at these people because they have used the scriptures to defend their arguments. Instead of standing alone trying to invent the wheel, God has blessed us with saints before us who have discovered many things. Is any one 💯 correct? By no means. You’d be foolish to say that each person must reinvent the wheel. What then did even the apostle Paul do? Let’s look at the apocryphal books. There were very few original copies made, they deny what the rest of the scriptures say, and there’s something like 20,000 original verbatim texts of the 4 gospel’s handwritten throughout the ancient world (the only differences being lingual differences because they are written to people in different places). So instead of acting like a leftist and shitting on the shoulders of the giants on whose shoulders you stand. Why not respect the work they have done, using the scriptures to prove what’s right is right and test every spirit? You seem to have a sort of complex in which you are wiser than these women I’ve listed because you were born with the internet. Guess what? We’re not any smarter today then mankind in 4000 BC. So I recommend 2 things, humble pie and a can of grow the **** up. Realize you don’t stand up so high because of what you have access to, but rather you stand on these giants shoulders who did more for the faith, than what you could ever dream of doing. I can tell because of your lack of faith that you won’t accomplish what these men have. You could surely change and become as great as these men. Read through the Bible a couple times. Listen to sermons about many parts of the Bible. Gain a fuller understanding of the texts. You alone cannot fully comprehend the depth of the scriptures in one lifetime, but you can come closer if you utilize those who carved a path ahead of us. And ask questions as you listen to people and as you read supporting documents. There’s no way you read anything of the information I sent in that timeline. The days of memes and YouTube shorts are great for the light and fluffy (politics) but have no place for the deep (religious).
There’s one true church. But there are many churches today, some are true churches, some are not.
The Church has always been understood as being one Church, not multiple true Churches. If this is how the Church was understood for the first thousand years of its existence (and still in the Orthodox view) as being one, with one Faith and one set of belief, why would that change just because more sects are arising?
Things like Jesus is God, that there is a trinity. Things like salvation is from Jesus Christ and his death on the cross alone.
I agree that these are true, yes Jesus is God, yes there's the Trinity, yes we are ultimately saved by God's grace. However, my issue was that there is no exhaustive list of "core tenents" ever stated in Scripture, its entirely arbitrary.
Let's look at the apocryphal books. There were very few original copies made, they deny what the rest of the scriptures say,
The Apocrypha is part of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Greek Septuagint, and the original KJV translation, to say they deny the rest of the Scriptures isn't true whatsoever. The Apocrypha was never largely debated in the creation of the Canon of the Bible. We also have to recognize the fact that it was the Church who gave us the Canon, and they included the Apocrypha. So why is the Church correct about everything else in the Canon, but not the Apocrypha?
Read through the Bible a couple times. Listen to sermons about many parts of the Bible. Gain a fuller understanding of the texts.
One of my points is that when you separate the Bible from the Church, you can't understand the Bible correctly. Having incorrect Trinitarian theology will lead to having incorrect Christology, which will lead to having incorrect Soteriology. The mainstream Protestant view of salvation and the Crucifixion has a lot of nestorian and anti-trinitarian implications, and because they don't have correct Christology, it often leads to unitarianism.
I didn’t say read and interpret the Bible yourself.
Which church gives the apocryphal books, the Catholic Church?
What is the one church you speak of. Even the Bible speaks of multiple churches, that want the issue, the issue was both heretical teaching and issues within the church of sins. Not that they were off this out that flavor.
There are churches out there that don’t agree with the Trinity, others: they preach that Jesus is not the only way to God, that you yourself play 50% of the role of salvation. So youto ask, what is a Christian church, and which aren’t. What makes a Christian a Christian? There are lists in the Bible that talk about this, this is what makes up the core tenets of the Christian faith. It’s all derived out of the Bible. None of it is man made BS. I gave you places to look at because this wall of text clearly means nothing to you. I’m asking you to do your own research, come up with your own conclusions, and I’m giving you direct pathways of assistance so your not blindly walking around. If you don’t want to agree, up to you. Just don’t expect me to roll over on my beliefs, especially when there’s so much leniency and so much specific information out there (which I’ve provided).
Which church gives the apocryphal books, the Catholic Church?
Again the Apocrypha is in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Greek Septuagint, the original KJV translation, and the original Canon given by the Church.
What is the one church you speak of?
The Orthodox Catholic Church. (not Roman Catholic)
Even the Bible speaks of multiple churches
This is basic word-concept fallacy, the word "church" does not mean one singe thing. It can refer to the universal Catholic Church, the spiritual body of the Church, the Church as a place of worship, and different jurisdictions of the Church. (Russian Orthodox Church, Antiochian, etc) In this case, when the Bible speaks of multiple "churches", it's talking about the same universal Catholic Church, but different locations or jurisdictions.
Not that they were off this out that flavor.
Actually that is how the Church functioned. If you weren't part of the Orthodox Catholic Church, you were separate from the Body of Christ.That's how the Church has always been understood since its founding.
There are lists in the Bible that talk about this, this is what makes up the core tenets of the Christian faith. It’s all derived out of the Bible.
Okay so show me where in the Bible it gives us the exhaustive list of what the Christian faith is and what makes a church true.
To believe every form of Christianity is Christianity is going to open the door for the devil to deceive. You must test everything by the known word of God.
Right, which is why there is only one true form of Christianity. Orthodoxy!
What the earliest Christians believe is the same as what we believe. We have Apostolic Tradition and succession, the Church Fathers tell us the difference between the true Church and heretical sects is whether they have Apostolic Tradition and succession.
People from different sects agreeing doesn't change the fact that there is no exhaustive list in Scripture of "core tenents" that a Church must follow to be true.
And in the Orthodox view, we don't appeal to textual critics and scholars to discern which doctrines are correct. We have the Councils for a reason, like the one in Acts 15. The idea of leaving it to "Bible pros" and textual scholars is an idea from the reformation. It's what led to the thousands of different denominations schisming and splitting from each other, its the reason we have to have this discussion.
Also you appeal to St. Augustine and Aquinas, but these people agree with me that there is only One True Church. The reason we have thousands of Protestant denominations in the first place is because we've separated Scripture from the Church and instead left it to textual critics and scholars.
There’s one true church. But there are many churches today, some are true churches, some are not. The core tenets are things that separate the Christian faith from false religions that appear like Christianity. Things like Jesus is God, that there is a trinity. Things like salvation is from Jesus Christ and his death on the cross alone. There’s a fairly long list, but it leaves many things to interpretation, because many things have not specifically been said. I said to look at these people because they have used the scriptures to defend their arguments. Instead of standing alone trying to invent the wheel, God has blessed us with saints before us who have discovered many things. Is any one 💯 correct? By no means. You’d be foolish to say that each person must reinvent the wheel. What then did even the apostle Paul do? Let’s look at the apocryphal books. There were very few original copies made, they deny what the rest of the scriptures say, and there’s something like 20,000 original verbatim texts of the 4 gospel’s handwritten throughout the ancient world (the only differences being lingual differences because they are written to people in different places). So instead of acting like a leftist and shitting on the shoulders of the giants on whose shoulders you stand. Why not respect the work they have done, using the scriptures to prove what’s right is right and test every spirit? You seem to have a sort of complex in which you are wiser than these women I’ve listed because you were born with the internet. Guess what? We’re not any smarter today then mankind in 4000 BC. So I recommend 2 things, humble pie and a can of grow the **** up. Realize you don’t stand up so high because of what you have access to, but rather you stand on these giants shoulders who did more for the faith, than what you could ever dream of doing. I can tell because of your lack of faith that you won’t accomplish what these men have. You could surely change and become as great as these men. Read through the Bible a couple times. Listen to sermons about many parts of the Bible. Gain a fuller understanding of the texts. You alone cannot fully comprehend the depth of the scriptures in one lifetime, but you can come closer if you utilize those who carved a path ahead of us. And ask questions as you listen to people and as you read supporting documents. There’s no way you read anything of the information I sent in that timeline. The days of memes and YouTube shorts are great for the light and fluffy (politics) but have no place for the deep (religious).
The Church has always been understood as being one Church, not multiple true Churches. If this is how the Church was understood for the first thousand years of its existence (and still in the Orthodox view) as being one, with one Faith and one set of belief, why would that change just because more sects are arising?
I agree that these are true, yes Jesus is God, yes there's the Trinity, yes we are ultimately saved by God's grace. However, my issue was that there is no exhaustive list of "core tenents" ever stated in Scripture, its entirely arbitrary.
The Apocrypha is part of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Greek Septuagint, and the original KJV translation, to say they deny the rest of the Scriptures isn't true whatsoever. The Apocrypha was never largely debated in the creation of the Canon of the Bible. We also have to recognize the fact that it was the Church who gave us the Canon, and they included the Apocrypha. So why is the Church correct about everything else in the Canon, but not the Apocrypha?
One of my points is that when you separate the Bible from the Church, you can't understand the Bible correctly. Having incorrect Trinitarian theology will lead to having incorrect Christology, which will lead to having incorrect Soteriology. The mainstream Protestant view of salvation and the Crucifixion has a lot of nestorian and anti-trinitarian implications, and because they don't have correct Christology, it often leads to unitarianism.
I didn’t say read and interpret the Bible yourself.
Which church gives the apocryphal books, the Catholic Church?
What is the one church you speak of. Even the Bible speaks of multiple churches, that want the issue, the issue was both heretical teaching and issues within the church of sins. Not that they were off this out that flavor.
There are churches out there that don’t agree with the Trinity, others: they preach that Jesus is not the only way to God, that you yourself play 50% of the role of salvation. So youto ask, what is a Christian church, and which aren’t. What makes a Christian a Christian? There are lists in the Bible that talk about this, this is what makes up the core tenets of the Christian faith. It’s all derived out of the Bible. None of it is man made BS. I gave you places to look at because this wall of text clearly means nothing to you. I’m asking you to do your own research, come up with your own conclusions, and I’m giving you direct pathways of assistance so your not blindly walking around. If you don’t want to agree, up to you. Just don’t expect me to roll over on my beliefs, especially when there’s so much leniency and so much specific information out there (which I’ve provided).
Clearly my you have a bone to pick. Not sure why.
Again the Apocrypha is in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Greek Septuagint, the original KJV translation, and the original Canon given by the Church.
The Orthodox Catholic Church. (not Roman Catholic)
This is basic word-concept fallacy, the word "church" does not mean one singe thing. It can refer to the universal Catholic Church, the spiritual body of the Church, the Church as a place of worship, and different jurisdictions of the Church. (Russian Orthodox Church, Antiochian, etc) In this case, when the Bible speaks of multiple "churches", it's talking about the same universal Catholic Church, but different locations or jurisdictions.
Actually that is how the Church functioned. If you weren't part of the Orthodox Catholic Church, you were separate from the Body of Christ.That's how the Church has always been understood since its founding.
Okay so show me where in the Bible it gives us the exhaustive list of what the Christian faith is and what makes a church true.
To believe every form of Christianity is Christianity is going to open the door for the devil to deceive. You must test everything by the known word of God.
Right, which is why there is only one true form of Christianity. Orthodoxy!
What the earliest Christians believe is the same as what we believe. We have Apostolic Tradition and succession, the Church Fathers tell us the difference between the true Church and heretical sects is whether they have Apostolic Tradition and succession.