The AZ court system is not the last redress available, and elctions in AZ at the governor's level have been challenged and overturned in the past. The path is difficult but not unassailable or impossible.
I never commented on what the last redress available is. I never said they’ve not overturned an election before
The reason 100000 sigs are in question is becuase they have already been vetted and found wanting.
Not true. Anything she posted was from 2020. Take that to the bank. That was all from a hearing in the legislature about 2020. Only the cucked county has possession of the 2022 sigs and they will not turn them over. Nobody but the county has seen these since the election.
If you think Lake and Lindell are spreading falsehood by emphasizing the importance of this ruling paticualrly where signature verification is involved, I challenge you here and now to say so bluntly.
If you didn’t have the reading comprehension of a goldfish, you’d see where I pointed out that they don’t just get to jump in and do this. The AZ Supreme Court order remanded it back to the district court to either find another reason to kick this case besides laches (of which there are many specious grounds) or to hear the case about the signatures. Who do you believe on this - the AZ Supreme Court who wrote and signed the order? Or Mike Lindell and Kari Lake? You think a district court judge who booted it the first time and invented his own evidentiary standard for the rest of the case and imposed an absent from the statute mens rea for their actions is going to be like “oh gee, guess I should get on with the signatures…” instead of booting it??
Since they are the one's who have invested the millions in prosecuting this case and they contiue to be hopeful about the ultimate outcome, I choose to believe that they have more insight than either of us, and have sound reason to believe as they do. They have visibility to information that neither you nor I have, and I choose to share their optimism rather than your doom.
Like on election night when Kari Lake wasn’t worried and she had the votes? And how she wasn’t worried in the 400 days afterwards that they counted Hobbs into victory? When hasn’t she been optimistic? When has Lindell not been optimistic? And what has Lindell won besides being a staunch supporter?
List of major hurdles:
not getting kicked again for failing to state a claim on other specious grounds
election contest rules do not provide for examining ballot envelopes - the judge cannot simply decide it does; that would immediately get thrown out on appeal.
without envelopes there can be no “conclusive and mathematically sound” basis to call the outcome into question, as required by the AZ Supreme Court’s order. It is pure speculation.
reviewing the actual signatures would take substantially more time than permitted in an election contest
You can completely ignore everything I said and I don’t care. If you want to live in magic world of cope, rainbows and unicorns, have at it; I hear there is a pot of gold if you can get to the end of the rainbow. However, I choose to live in reality. If you want to have a real debate about what I said, calling me a doomer and saying that you believe Lake and Lindell over me is about the most lacking in substance “debate” I have had on this board. Neither of those 2 have addressed what I have said, and I stand by it.
TL/DR: You think Lake and Lindell are blowing smoke and you think you know more than they do. Your opinion would have more weight if you actually had $$skin$$ in this game.
Lindell is clear that if this fails at the State level they will take it to the USSC. I would actually welcome that in order to set national corrective precedents that could force a paper ballots only system in the end.
If it fails at the USSC, you are free to doom. Until then, domming is your cup to savor alone.
More cope, rainbows, and unicorns from you. Facts apparently don’t matter. Just personalities and how much money they put into something. Never mind that everything I said is correct. You attempt to rebut my observation with frivolous and weightless personality/money arguments. And “secret information” not filed in any court case…that’s a first one for me. Never had an adult go full make believe mode on me before.
Your arrogance assumes YOU have all the facts and insights. You don't, nor do I. I asked a simple question and you replied with one of the longer intellectual flatulations uttered on these boards in a while. At this time I choose to believe Lindell, Lake, and Trump and their representations on this issue, in part because I believe they know more than I do, and far more than pathological doomers like you do.
For some reason you are transfixed with those rubber unicorns and plastic rainbows dangling above your head in your crib, as you wallow around in a pile of self-important fetid musings of you own making. In the end It appears that you are merely a pedestrian know-it-all style doomer in need of diaper change.
I’m sorry that you asked a question and didn’t like the answer. Explaining how the legal system operates is not “flatulations” and dooming even if it goes completely over your head or hurts your fragile feelers. Frankly at this point, if you have any belief that any court in this country is going to do something about election fraud, I question whether you have been paying attention at all…fraud suits are batting .000 right now. It certainly isn’t dooming to read the damn court order and point out what I did. You obviously didn’t. Or for inexplicable reasons you discard substance and choose to subscribe to platitudes and hopium. And choosing symbolism over substance is precisely cope, rainbows, and unicorns.
No court is going to mess with this. Hobbs will be subject to a recall election long before any appeals are heard and resolved. That is the only way to undo this. Write it down and call me a doomer. And when that happens, you can come back here and I’ll gladly and smugly tell you I told you so.
You chose not to listen to anything I said.
I never commented on what the last redress available is. I never said they’ve not overturned an election before
Not true. Anything she posted was from 2020. Take that to the bank. That was all from a hearing in the legislature about 2020. Only the cucked county has possession of the 2022 sigs and they will not turn them over. Nobody but the county has seen these since the election.
If you didn’t have the reading comprehension of a goldfish, you’d see where I pointed out that they don’t just get to jump in and do this. The AZ Supreme Court order remanded it back to the district court to either find another reason to kick this case besides laches (of which there are many specious grounds) or to hear the case about the signatures. Who do you believe on this - the AZ Supreme Court who wrote and signed the order? Or Mike Lindell and Kari Lake? You think a district court judge who booted it the first time and invented his own evidentiary standard for the rest of the case and imposed an absent from the statute mens rea for their actions is going to be like “oh gee, guess I should get on with the signatures…” instead of booting it??
Like on election night when Kari Lake wasn’t worried and she had the votes? And how she wasn’t worried in the 400 days afterwards that they counted Hobbs into victory? When hasn’t she been optimistic? When has Lindell not been optimistic? And what has Lindell won besides being a staunch supporter?
List of major hurdles:
You can completely ignore everything I said and I don’t care. If you want to live in magic world of cope, rainbows and unicorns, have at it; I hear there is a pot of gold if you can get to the end of the rainbow. However, I choose to live in reality. If you want to have a real debate about what I said, calling me a doomer and saying that you believe Lake and Lindell over me is about the most lacking in substance “debate” I have had on this board. Neither of those 2 have addressed what I have said, and I stand by it.
TL/DR: You think Lake and Lindell are blowing smoke and you think you know more than they do. Your opinion would have more weight if you actually had $$skin$$ in this game.
Lindell is clear that if this fails at the State level they will take it to the USSC. I would actually welcome that in order to set national corrective precedents that could force a paper ballots only system in the end.
If it fails at the USSC, you are free to doom. Until then, domming is your cup to savor alone.
More cope, rainbows, and unicorns from you. Facts apparently don’t matter. Just personalities and how much money they put into something. Never mind that everything I said is correct. You attempt to rebut my observation with frivolous and weightless personality/money arguments. And “secret information” not filed in any court case…that’s a first one for me. Never had an adult go full make believe mode on me before.
Your arrogance assumes YOU have all the facts and insights. You don't, nor do I. I asked a simple question and you replied with one of the longer intellectual flatulations uttered on these boards in a while. At this time I choose to believe Lindell, Lake, and Trump and their representations on this issue, in part because I believe they know more than I do, and far more than pathological doomers like you do.
For some reason you are transfixed with those rubber unicorns and plastic rainbows dangling above your head in your crib, as you wallow around in a pile of self-important fetid musings of you own making. In the end It appears that you are merely a pedestrian know-it-all style doomer in need of diaper change.
I’m sorry that you asked a question and didn’t like the answer. Explaining how the legal system operates is not “flatulations” and dooming even if it goes completely over your head or hurts your fragile feelers. Frankly at this point, if you have any belief that any court in this country is going to do something about election fraud, I question whether you have been paying attention at all…fraud suits are batting .000 right now. It certainly isn’t dooming to read the damn court order and point out what I did. You obviously didn’t. Or for inexplicable reasons you discard substance and choose to subscribe to platitudes and hopium. And choosing symbolism over substance is precisely cope, rainbows, and unicorns.
No court is going to mess with this. Hobbs will be subject to a recall election long before any appeals are heard and resolved. That is the only way to undo this. Write it down and call me a doomer. And when that happens, you can come back here and I’ll gladly and smugly tell you I told you so.