So 18 yo kids being deployed on orders have a choice?This is literally the opposite of supporting our military. Same propaganda as drafted boys coming home from Vietnam and being spit on when they returned. “You’re no hero” . Gross. They sacrifice, EVERY SINGLE DAY and most know exactly what’s going on! Thought we were better than this?
I’m confused about this too ! First of all I didn’t know our military had a choice ? If they are told to go , they have to go where they are told ! Don’t u go to the brig/jail if you deny orders ? I don’t like or support any war, but these soldiers should not be treated As if the war is their fault or that they have a choice of when or where to go ! I thought we hated the war mongers and wars but , supported our soldiers ?
Exactly! They sign a contract and can get into ton of trouble for defying orders. Most of the soldiers are young. Someone saying “you’re no hero” and “the American people don’t support you” is BS. The more I learn, the more upset I get with how they are treated.
When one is being used to prosecute imperialism by killing the wrong people, with no relationship to the defense of our homeland, then, no, you are no hero and the American people should not support you.
I know that puts paid to the veterans of Vietnam, for whom I have sympathy. But the shadow play was very evident by the late 1960s when I was going to college and faced with the draft. The U.S. government was not interested in winning a war; it was only interested in expending manpower to continue a war. I was glad not to be a part of it. The returning vets got unjust treatment, in part. They were forced to do things they shouldn't have had to do by otherwise legal authority (though some might question that, with grounds). They suffered. But they also participated in a killing spree from both sides. If the ends justified the means, the ends were a failure and the means were unjustified.
The next occasion where we were on the wrong side was in Kosovo, bombing Serbians, our former World War II allies, for the sake of an insurrectionist Islamic overthrow of government in Kosovo.
And then we have the middle east. We all have the best opinion and wishes for our servicemen, but the spectacle of our corrupt foreign policy may also be a factor in the dwindling recruitment rates.
You were lucky to not be drafted! We agree that they were forced to do things under legal authority, such is the case when you sign a contract with the military. My BIL signed for National guard, he had a baby on the way. A few weeks after boot, he was deployed to Iraq. He’s one of my heroes, as I’m sure your grandfather is for you, but he had no choice in his deployment. Most boots on the ground don’t. To hold our servicemen and women accountable for the decisions of the corrupt foreign policies is farcical.
So 18 yo kids being deployed on orders have a choice?This is literally the opposite of supporting our military. Same propaganda as drafted boys coming home from Vietnam and being spit on when they returned. “You’re no hero” . Gross. They sacrifice, EVERY SINGLE DAY and most know exactly what’s going on! Thought we were better than this?
I’m confused about this too ! First of all I didn’t know our military had a choice ? If they are told to go , they have to go where they are told ! Don’t u go to the brig/jail if you deny orders ? I don’t like or support any war, but these soldiers should not be treated As if the war is their fault or that they have a choice of when or where to go ! I thought we hated the war mongers and wars but , supported our soldiers ?
Exactly! They sign a contract and can get into ton of trouble for defying orders. Most of the soldiers are young. Someone saying “you’re no hero” and “the American people don’t support you” is BS. The more I learn, the more upset I get with how they are treated.
When one is being used to prosecute imperialism by killing the wrong people, with no relationship to the defense of our homeland, then, no, you are no hero and the American people should not support you.
I know that puts paid to the veterans of Vietnam, for whom I have sympathy. But the shadow play was very evident by the late 1960s when I was going to college and faced with the draft. The U.S. government was not interested in winning a war; it was only interested in expending manpower to continue a war. I was glad not to be a part of it. The returning vets got unjust treatment, in part. They were forced to do things they shouldn't have had to do by otherwise legal authority (though some might question that, with grounds). They suffered. But they also participated in a killing spree from both sides. If the ends justified the means, the ends were a failure and the means were unjustified.
The next occasion where we were on the wrong side was in Kosovo, bombing Serbians, our former World War II allies, for the sake of an insurrectionist Islamic overthrow of government in Kosovo.
And then we have the middle east. We all have the best opinion and wishes for our servicemen, but the spectacle of our corrupt foreign policy may also be a factor in the dwindling recruitment rates.
You were lucky to not be drafted! We agree that they were forced to do things under legal authority, such is the case when you sign a contract with the military. My BIL signed for National guard, he had a baby on the way. A few weeks after boot, he was deployed to Iraq. He’s one of my heroes, as I’m sure your grandfather is for you, but he had no choice in his deployment. Most boots on the ground don’t. To hold our servicemen and women accountable for the decisions of the corrupt foreign policies is farcical.