Need some serious sauce to back this up. I prefer primary sources. The first Christians were the Disciples.
If you believe that Jesus was divine, and Jesus attributed to himself all the same names that YHWH used, then you’re in a little bit of a pickle with your theology. Follow me here for a second:
Jesus was divine
YHWH was evil
But Jesus attributed all the names of YHWH in the Old Testament to himself
And Jesus was put to death on the charge of Blasphemy - which is equating oneself with YHWH
Therefore, Jesus at least thought he was the same as the God of the OT
Either Jesus was the same as YHWH, or Jesus wasn’t and was seriously mistaken about his identity. But if he was mistaken, then he can’t be Divine. If Jesus wasn’t divine, then he lied about who he was and was the most evil of all because he declared himself to be the savior of the world all the while knowing that he wasn’t.
Yahweh is a higher dimensional being/ angel/ demon pretending to be the creator of the universe.
Jesus is divine, Jesus is the manifestation of the creator in the flesh.
Your arguments don’t have to force me to change my stance, they hold no water. But yet in the Old Testament you see the nature of Yahweh. In the gospel we know the nature of Jesus. Two different beings, two different teachings and guidelines. I chose to follow Jesus teachings, and will have nothing to do with Yahweh. Jesus wants me to believe in his message and sacrifice, Yahweh wants adoration.
YHWH and Jesus share the same Nature. What you see in the OT vs the NT is simply showing multiple sides of the same being: God. Just like I can be angry and loving or vengeful and forgiving and still be the same person/Being.
You're really kicking against 2000 yrs of highly developed Theology. The burden of proof rests squarely upon your shoulders to show why the past 2000yrs of Church History have been wrong.
Jesus wants me to believe in his message and sacrifice, Yahweh wants adoration.
Jesus will demand your adoration at the end of the Age. Better get your theology straightened out before then - your Eternity depends on it.
An angry God is not a rational God. Jesus was never angered to the point of killing. He had control of his ego…. The story of Jesus is simply to show us that we too can take the path of light, by serving others vs self. What do you think was the message when he washed their feet? And told them that if they do good to each other they are doing good to him?
Here are a few Bible passages that discuss God's righteous anger. Notice there are references to this anger in the NT as well:
Psalm 7:11 - "God is a righteous judge, a God who displays his wrath every day."
Romans 1:18 - "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness."
Ephesians 5:6 - "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient."
Colossians 3:6 - "Because of these, the wrath of God is coming."
Revelation 14:10 - "They, too, will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb."
Nahum 1:2-3 - "The Lord is a jealous and avenging God; the Lord takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The Lord takes vengeance on his foes and vents his wrath against his enemies."
Exodus 32:10-11 - "Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation."
Jeremiah 21:5 - "I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and a mighty arm in furious anger and in great wrath."
Zephaniah 3:8 - "Therefore wait for me," declares the Lord, "for the day I will stand up to testify. I have decided to assemble the nations, to gather the kingdoms and to pour out my wrath on them—all my fierce anger. The whole world will be consumed by the fire of my jealous anger."
It's important to note that while these passages speak of God's righteous anger, they are just a part of the larger biblical narrative that also emphasizes God's love, mercy, and desire for reconciliation. The concept of God's anger is often balanced with his willingness to forgive and provide a way for people to turn back to him.
I think you really need to look more into what's called Progressive Revelation. This refers to how God has revealed himself over time to Mankind, ultimately culminating into the revelation of Himself through Jesus.
Need some serious sauce to back this up. I prefer primary sources. The first Christians were the Disciples.
If you believe that Jesus was divine, and Jesus attributed to himself all the same names that YHWH used, then you’re in a little bit of a pickle with your theology. Follow me here for a second:
Either Jesus was the same as YHWH, or Jesus wasn’t and was seriously mistaken about his identity. But if he was mistaken, then he can’t be Divine. If Jesus wasn’t divine, then he lied about who he was and was the most evil of all because he declared himself to be the savior of the world all the while knowing that he wasn’t.
You have some reconciling to do, my fren.
Yahweh is a higher dimensional being/ angel/ demon pretending to be the creator of the universe.
Jesus is divine, Jesus is the manifestation of the creator in the flesh.
Your arguments don’t have to force me to change my stance, they hold no water. But yet in the Old Testament you see the nature of Yahweh. In the gospel we know the nature of Jesus. Two different beings, two different teachings and guidelines. I chose to follow Jesus teachings, and will have nothing to do with Yahweh. Jesus wants me to believe in his message and sacrifice, Yahweh wants adoration.
YHWH and Jesus share the same Nature. What you see in the OT vs the NT is simply showing multiple sides of the same being: God. Just like I can be angry and loving or vengeful and forgiving and still be the same person/Being.
You're really kicking against 2000 yrs of highly developed Theology. The burden of proof rests squarely upon your shoulders to show why the past 2000yrs of Church History have been wrong.
Jesus will demand your adoration at the end of the Age. Better get your theology straightened out before then - your Eternity depends on it.
An angry God is not a rational God. Jesus was never angered to the point of killing. He had control of his ego…. The story of Jesus is simply to show us that we too can take the path of light, by serving others vs self. What do you think was the message when he washed their feet? And told them that if they do good to each other they are doing good to him?
When God is angry, it's righteous anger.
Here are a few Bible passages that discuss God's righteous anger. Notice there are references to this anger in the NT as well:
Psalm 7:11 - "God is a righteous judge, a God who displays his wrath every day."
Romans 1:18 - "The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness."
Ephesians 5:6 - "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient."
Colossians 3:6 - "Because of these, the wrath of God is coming."
Revelation 14:10 - "They, too, will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb."
Nahum 1:2-3 - "The Lord is a jealous and avenging God; the Lord takes vengeance and is filled with wrath. The Lord takes vengeance on his foes and vents his wrath against his enemies."
Exodus 32:10-11 - "Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation."
Jeremiah 21:5 - "I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and a mighty arm in furious anger and in great wrath."
Zephaniah 3:8 - "Therefore wait for me," declares the Lord, "for the day I will stand up to testify. I have decided to assemble the nations, to gather the kingdoms and to pour out my wrath on them—all my fierce anger. The whole world will be consumed by the fire of my jealous anger."
It's important to note that while these passages speak of God's righteous anger, they are just a part of the larger biblical narrative that also emphasizes God's love, mercy, and desire for reconciliation. The concept of God's anger is often balanced with his willingness to forgive and provide a way for people to turn back to him.
I think you really need to look more into what's called Progressive Revelation. This refers to how God has revealed himself over time to Mankind, ultimately culminating into the revelation of Himself through Jesus.