Notice at the beginning of the interview Clapper (supposedly) feigns as if he was trying to protect 45 from the beginning.

I seriously doubt that notion! Rats & sinking ships and such... He's as guilty as the rest and any shade he throws off himself and onto other DS players must be taken with a grain of salt. As the frog once wisely knew yet ignored, never trust a scorpion!

Edit: Any sauce this is @Johnheretohelp? I knew in my bones that swamp rat Clapper couldn't begin to feign defense for 45. Just too overwhelming of an ego shift IMO.