It's OK. Thanks for sending the link, interesting and useful to know. I do see that explanation as metal gymnastics, but it's OK for you go on believing it. Good to see you looked into it.
Genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness"
This is clearly the grammar of more than one entity - and the bible does have the vibe of more than one personality acting. Not warn man of flood coming - vs - also help one of them to build an ark. It suggests more than one actor.
Then there is the big problem of pre-bible stories matching the bible, proving the bible to be real, but being different just in the number of Gods. A single God is not the god of all bible stories in the bible, the conclusion is inescapable, given the evidence.
Doesn't mean there is not one primary God, just that the bible is about more than one character playing god, it could be none of them are the ultimate one primary god.
Yes, these are both valid points, until you notice earlier written traditions have the same characters (usually with very different names, due to being in a different language) playing out essentially the same stories during the same time periods, except they render the story with multiple characters.
The earliest known writing is from the Sumerians, and their creation "myth" is virtually the same as Genesis (eden/adam/eve/serpent/god) except it's not a serpent but another "god" and there are many other gods too. The plural carried over into the bible. Then traditions that followed (Babylonian/Egyptian/Hittite/Medes - even Mayan) all used the very same multiple characters.
At the time of the ancient Greeks - still multiple gods. Then the bible is compiled and it still contains the plural. 4000 years later people are certain it refers to a single entity.
Now, take all the traditions from the first to the last and they all have multiple gods, the bible even uses the plural and talks openly of "We will make man in our image" which is word-for-word almost perfect translation of the earliest writing in existence, from Sumerians (pre flood and after). You have to wonder, you really really have to wonder.
The Sumerians even have stories that match Noah and the ark, and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah - in writing - the oldest existing writing. Their cosmology is even now in accordance with modern science. For a long time modern science had not discovered the chain of events they wrote about before 4000bc - like the origin of Earth being due to a celestial battle (collision)
No need to panic about the loss of the simple "one supreme" god scheme though - the gods of the old testament bible are basically not gods or God, just extremely advanced humanlike entities. God, the ultimate singular, must have created them, ultimately. I still see Jesus as the messenger of that God above all others, and not much changes because it is still a new arrangement that supersedes all the others, as it should.
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Is the context that we were given only plants and fruits to eat?
I dont take that meaning. Next is animals - they eat the green plant for food but they are also food. Later in the Cain an Abel story God prefers the offering of meat... which is a clear endorsement of meat eating. (Genesis 4:4)
That's right. That's the English translation. In Hebrew the word translated as God is "Elohim" which is the plural of Eloah.
https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/oneness-of-god-the-meaning-of-elohim
This first paragraph states "In biblical Hebrew, many singular abstractions are expressed in the plural form, e.g., rachamim, “compassion”"
It's OK. Thanks for sending the link, interesting and useful to know. I do see that explanation as metal gymnastics, but it's OK for you go on believing it. Good to see you looked into it.
Genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness"
This is clearly the grammar of more than one entity - and the bible does have the vibe of more than one personality acting. Not warn man of flood coming - vs - also help one of them to build an ark. It suggests more than one actor.
Then there is the big problem of pre-bible stories matching the bible, proving the bible to be real, but being different just in the number of Gods. A single God is not the god of all bible stories in the bible, the conclusion is inescapable, given the evidence.
Doesn't mean there is not one primary God, just that the bible is about more than one character playing god, it could be none of them are the ultimate one primary god.
Yes, these are both valid points, until you notice earlier written traditions have the same characters (usually with very different names, due to being in a different language) playing out essentially the same stories during the same time periods, except they render the story with multiple characters. The earliest known writing is from the Sumerians, and their creation "myth" is virtually the same as Genesis (eden/adam/eve/serpent/god) except it's not a serpent but another "god" and there are many other gods too. The plural carried over into the bible. Then traditions that followed (Babylonian/Egyptian/Hittite/Medes - even Mayan) all used the very same multiple characters.
At the time of the ancient Greeks - still multiple gods. Then the bible is compiled and it still contains the plural. 4000 years later people are certain it refers to a single entity.
Now, take all the traditions from the first to the last and they all have multiple gods, the bible even uses the plural and talks openly of "We will make man in our image" which is word-for-word almost perfect translation of the earliest writing in existence, from Sumerians (pre flood and after). You have to wonder, you really really have to wonder.
The Sumerians even have stories that match Noah and the ark, and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah - in writing - the oldest existing writing. Their cosmology is even now in accordance with modern science. For a long time modern science had not discovered the chain of events they wrote about before 4000bc - like the origin of Earth being due to a celestial battle (collision)
No need to panic about the loss of the simple "one supreme" god scheme though - the gods of the old testament bible are basically not gods or God, just extremely advanced humanlike entities. God, the ultimate singular, must have created them, ultimately. I still see Jesus as the messenger of that God above all others, and not much changes because it is still a new arrangement that supersedes all the others, as it should.
The truth would put 99% in the hospital...
No I'm open minded. I know people have probably subverted the original. I have no hard beliefs on this subject.
Interesting I'm reading that chapter now.
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Is the context that we were given only plants and fruits to eat?
I dont take that meaning. Next is animals - they eat the green plant for food but they are also food. Later in the Cain an Abel story God prefers the offering of meat... which is a clear endorsement of meat eating. (Genesis 4:4)