Pope Francis Fires Bishop For Being Too Catholic
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Just like a catholic to use anything but scripture to make their arguments, so pathetic
"Hey everyone, what Christ said doesn't matter, what matters is what everyone after him said!"
That's you
What Christ said does matter, which is why early Christians like Cyprian and Origen take the exact same Scripture and give an interpretation completely contrary to some random guy on the internet.
Cyprian (200 years from Christ) & Origen (200 years from Christ) >>> some random guy (2000 years from Christ)
You're contradicting yourself. If what Christ said mattered to you, you would take his word for it that he is the rock the church is founded on like he said. There's no other way to interpret that unless you're Satan. Instead you prefer the opinion of a sinner you do not know. Peak Catholicism.
Citing Origen doesn't help your case nearly as much as you think it does.
He was a blatant heretic who fabricated a bunch of nonsense that has no biblical support whatsoever, such as the preexistence of souls and universal salvation. His entire life's work boiled down to trying to force Christian teachings into the mold of pagan Greek philosophy.
I don't trust Origen to interpret scripture for the same reason that I don't trust Arius or Mohamed. How far removed one is from the time of Christ has no bearing on the accuracy of one's reading of Christ's words.
the fact that origen was a heretic only strengthens the case because even a heretic understood that Peter is the Rock. there is no other interpretation of Mt.16. I could cite 40 other Church Fathers who were not heretics but legit saints.
Uh, no, that's not how that works. That it no way eliminates the possibility that Peter being the Rock is just a heretical doctrine.
And I cited scripture. Church fathers, no matter how numerous, are not scripture. Once again, you illustrate the core problem with the RCC by building your doctrine on the traditions of men rather than the Word of God.
"anything but scripture".
When Christ says "this rock" he's referring to himself. If he was referring to Peter he would have said, upon you, or upon Peter, or upon thee. He says "this rock". It's cut and dry.
1 Corinth 10: “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”
early Christians reading bible >>> random guy 2000 years later reading bible
You keep saying that but it changes nothing. The Catholic church is ever changing, always changing rules and adding dogma. Everyone else whos only authority is scripture is closer to the early church Christian than any roman catholic. You hold up tradition above all else even if it was something started as early as 200 years ago. Also there was no central church for over 300 years until the roman government created it after legalizing Christianity in Rome. That's why the Vatican is there. It's not hard to understand. Your pride won't let you consider the truth.