What Christ said does matter, which is why early Christians like Cyprian and Origen take the exact same Scripture and give an interpretation completely contrary to some random guy on the internet.
Cyprian (200 years from Christ) & Origen (200 years from Christ) >>> some random guy (2000 years from Christ)
Citing Origen doesn't help your case nearly as much as you think it does.
He was a blatant heretic who fabricated a bunch of nonsense that has no biblical support whatsoever, such as the preexistence of souls and universal salvation. His entire life's work boiled down to trying to force Christian teachings into the mold of pagan Greek philosophy.
I don't trust Origen to interpret scripture for the same reason that I don't trust Arius or Mohamed. How far removed one is from the time of Christ has no bearing on the accuracy of one's reading of Christ's words.
the fact that origen was a heretic only strengthens the case because even a heretic understood that Peter is the Rock. there is no other interpretation of Mt.16. I could cite 40 other Church Fathers who were not heretics but legit saints.
the fact that origen was a heretic only strengthens the case because even a heretic understood that Peter is the Rock.
Uh, no, that's not how that works. That it no way eliminates the possibility that Peter being the Rock is just a heretical doctrine.
I could cite 40 other Church Fathers who were not heretics but legit saints.
And I cited scripture. Church fathers, no matter how numerous, are not scripture. Once again, you illustrate the core problem with the RCC by building your doctrine on the traditions of men rather than the Word of God.
There is easy proof of faith in a short summary of the truth. The Lord says to Peter: “I say to you,” he says, “that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. And to you I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . .” [Mt 16:18–19]. On him he builds the Church, and commands him to feed the sheep [Jn 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. Indeed, the others were also what Peter was [i.e., apostles], but a primacy is given to Peter, by which it is made clear that there is one Church and one chair. . . . If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he think that he holds the faith? If he deserts the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he be confident that he is in the Church?
Cyprian of Carthage, Unity of the Catholic Church (Treatise 1:4) (A.D. 251)
What Christ said does matter, which is why early Christians like Cyprian and Origen take the exact same Scripture and give an interpretation completely contrary to some random guy on the internet.
Cyprian (200 years from Christ) & Origen (200 years from Christ) >>> some random guy (2000 years from Christ)
Citing Origen doesn't help your case nearly as much as you think it does.
He was a blatant heretic who fabricated a bunch of nonsense that has no biblical support whatsoever, such as the preexistence of souls and universal salvation. His entire life's work boiled down to trying to force Christian teachings into the mold of pagan Greek philosophy.
I don't trust Origen to interpret scripture for the same reason that I don't trust Arius or Mohamed. How far removed one is from the time of Christ has no bearing on the accuracy of one's reading of Christ's words.
the fact that origen was a heretic only strengthens the case because even a heretic understood that Peter is the Rock. there is no other interpretation of Mt.16. I could cite 40 other Church Fathers who were not heretics but legit saints.
Uh, no, that's not how that works. That it no way eliminates the possibility that Peter being the Rock is just a heretical doctrine.
And I cited scripture. Church fathers, no matter how numerous, are not scripture. Once again, you illustrate the core problem with the RCC by building your doctrine on the traditions of men rather than the Word of God.
"anything but scripture".
early Christians reading bible >>> random guy 2000 years later reading bible