Wilders is going way overboard on what he's calling for. Maybe taking down mosques and outlawing a religion is ok in the Netherlands but it is not how America works. Otherwise, I applaud someone in Europe is pointing out the immigrant agenda.
Islam is a scheme to invade and conquer the world, disguised as a religon.
ANYTHING calling itself a "religion" that advocates subjugating and murdering people of other religions is not a true religion, but instead a criminal organization.
Does Islam advocate subjugating and murdering infidels? Do its teachings RELIABLY lead to subjugation and murder of Christians and others as the percentage of Muslims increases in a nation?
Yes, absolutely -- including, near the end-point, of moderate Muslims who do not support Jihad (i.e., decent people who happen to have been raised in Islam).
Two suggestions for research into the actual nature of Islam:
I haven’t read the books you suggest here, but a serious question…. If, as you state, as the percentage of muslims increases in a nation, subjugation and murder of Christians reliably occur…. Why then are there over six thousand Christian churches in Iran, for example?
Also, is Mohammed bin Salman a muslim? From the way I understand it, POTUS alerted him to an imminent assassination attempt in NV, for which MbS was thankful enough to then assist POTUS in speaking to other high profile individuals that needed “persuasion” to get off the wrong paths they were pursuing. He also locked up several of the corrupt power players in his country and welcomed POTUS to participate in some meaningful rites (sword dance) in SA.
Does it make more sense perhaps that the radical islamists are the problem? Even the first book you linked doesn’t say “We must defeat Islam”, but rather “We must defeat radical Islam”.
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One final thought… as I recall, there was quite a lot of warring between two Christian ideologies in Ireland, both believing the other should be eradicated, before they were brought to their senses and came together. I have hope that good people of all religions can come together and fight against the evil ones of all religions.
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I can’t speak to what our servicemen and women who were sent to predominantly muslim countries to do battle over there and lost brothers-in-arms and/or were injured themselves harbor as emotions towards muslims in general; my perspective here is, admittedly, non-military and viewing the religious landscape from a 40K view over a historical timeline.
My knee-jerk reaction to Mr Wilder’s desire to mete out collective punishment to all muslims, closing their places of worship, for example, is revulsion. Perhaps it’s because we here in the States who are Christian can certainly imagine the current DS issuing an edict through their puppet Potatus that all churches are to be closed as they deem all Christians as “terrorists”. Just some of my thoughts. MHO.
Yes, there remains a minority Christian community in Iran, which shrunk after the Shah's ouster but in recent years has rebounded. I agree with you that Iran -- as oppressive as it is to Christians and to the entire general population -- has at least not attempted to eradicate the relatively small number of Christians in the country.
The government guarantees the recognized Christian minorities a number of rights (production and sale of non-halal foods),[citation needed] representation in parliament, special family law etc.[citation needed] According to US-based Barnabas Fund government intrusion, expropriation of property, forced closure and persecution, particularly in the initial years after the Iranian Revolution, have all been documented.[citation needed]
On 2 February 2018, four United Nations human rights experts said that members of the Christian minority in Iran, particularly those who have converted to Christianity, are facing severe discrimination and religious persecution in Iran. They expressed their concerns over treatment of three Iranian Christians imprisoned in Iran.[24]
Iranian Christians tend to be urban, with 50% living in Tehran.[25]
Christianity remains the second-largest non-Muslim minority religion in the country.[26]
A June 2020 online survey found a much smaller percentage of Iranians stating they believe in Islam, with half of those surveyed indicating they had lost their religious faith.[27] The poll, conducted by the Netherlands-based GAMAAN (Group for Analyzing and Measuring Attitudes in Iran), using online polling to provide greater anonymity for respondents, surveyed 50,000 Iranians and found 1.5% identified as Christians.[27][28]
Thank you for responding (and I truly do appreciate the data-based discussion). You were responding as I was responding in another comment. In researching the wiki references, the first one you cited, for overall religious freedom, says that “recognized” Christian communities (not sure what that means) “are relatively free to worship”.
The second reference you cited, #66, sounds particularly interesting and worth looking into further as do some of the other referenced material.
I’m fading fast here, too tired to respond further tonight, Narg, but will delve into this further tomorrow night if I can find time.
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Reference #65:
“… Are individuals free to practice and express their religious faith or nonbelief in public and private? 0/4
Iran is home to a majority Shiite Muslim population and Sunni Muslim, Baha’i, Christian, and Zoroastrian minorities. The constitution recognizes only Zoroastrians, Jews, and certain Christian communities as non-Muslim religious minorities, and these small groups are relatively free to worship. The regime cracks down on Muslims who are deemed to be at variance with the state ideology and interpretation of Islam.
Sunni Muslims complain that they have been prevented from building mosques in major cities and face difficulty obtaining government jobs. In recent years, there has been increased pressure on the Sufi Muslim order Nematollahi Gonabadi, including destruction of its places of worship and the jailing of some of its members.
The government also subjects some non-Muslim minorities to repressive policies and discrimination, including Baha’is and unrecognized Christian groups. Baha’is are systematically persecuted, sentenced to prison, and banned from access to higher education. In May 2021, the Baha’i International Community reported on multiple raids of Baha’i homes, along with the detention of more than 20 people. Later that month, the Revolutionary Court of Borazjan issued prison sentences against six Baha’i; one defendant received an 11-year sentence for “propaganda activities against the regime” for discussing their faith, while the other five received 12-and-a-half-year sentences for “assisting in propaganda activities.” …”
Wilders is going way overboard on what he's calling for. Maybe taking down mosques and outlawing a religion is ok in the Netherlands but it is not how America works. Otherwise, I applaud someone in Europe is pointing out the immigrant agenda.
Islam is a scheme to invade and conquer the world, disguised as a religon.
ANYTHING calling itself a "religion" that advocates subjugating and murdering people of other religions is not a true religion, but instead a criminal organization.
Does Islam advocate subjugating and murdering infidels? Do its teachings RELIABLY lead to subjugation and murder of Christians and others as the percentage of Muslims increases in a nation?
Yes, absolutely -- including, near the end-point, of moderate Muslims who do not support Jihad (i.e., decent people who happen to have been raised in Islam).
Two suggestions for research into the actual nature of Islam:
They Must Be Stopped: Why We Must Defeat Radical Islam and How We Can Do It by Brigitte Gabriel
Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
I haven’t read the books you suggest here, but a serious question…. If, as you state, as the percentage of muslims increases in a nation, subjugation and murder of Christians reliably occur…. Why then are there over six thousand Christian churches in Iran, for example?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2020/september/iran-christian-conversions-gamaan-religion-survey.html
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Also, is Mohammed bin Salman a muslim? From the way I understand it, POTUS alerted him to an imminent assassination attempt in NV, for which MbS was thankful enough to then assist POTUS in speaking to other high profile individuals that needed “persuasion” to get off the wrong paths they were pursuing. He also locked up several of the corrupt power players in his country and welcomed POTUS to participate in some meaningful rites (sword dance) in SA.
Does it make more sense perhaps that the radical islamists are the problem? Even the first book you linked doesn’t say “We must defeat Islam”, but rather “We must defeat radical Islam”.
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One final thought… as I recall, there was quite a lot of warring between two Christian ideologies in Ireland, both believing the other should be eradicated, before they were brought to their senses and came together. I have hope that good people of all religions can come together and fight against the evil ones of all religions.
.
I can’t speak to what our servicemen and women who were sent to predominantly muslim countries to do battle over there and lost brothers-in-arms and/or were injured themselves harbor as emotions towards muslims in general; my perspective here is, admittedly, non-military and viewing the religious landscape from a 40K view over a historical timeline.
My knee-jerk reaction to Mr Wilder’s desire to mete out collective punishment to all muslims, closing their places of worship, for example, is revulsion. Perhaps it’s because we here in the States who are Christian can certainly imagine the current DS issuing an edict through their puppet Potatus that all churches are to be closed as they deem all Christians as “terrorists”. Just some of my thoughts. MHO.
Yes, there remains a minority Christian community in Iran, which shrunk after the Shah's ouster but in recent years has rebounded. I agree with you that Iran -- as oppressive as it is to Christians and to the entire general population -- has at least not attempted to eradicate the relatively small number of Christians in the country.
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran#Freedom_of_religion -
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According to the main Wikipedia article on Iran, the population is over 87 million.
Again from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran#History --
Christianity remains the second-largest non-Muslim minority religion in the country.[26]
Thank you for responding (and I truly do appreciate the data-based discussion). You were responding as I was responding in another comment. In researching the wiki references, the first one you cited, for overall religious freedom, says that “recognized” Christian communities (not sure what that means) “are relatively free to worship”.
The second reference you cited, #66, sounds particularly interesting and worth looking into further as do some of the other referenced material.
I’m fading fast here, too tired to respond further tonight, Narg, but will delve into this further tomorrow night if I can find time.
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Reference #65:
“… Are individuals free to practice and express their religious faith or nonbelief in public and private? 0/4
Iran is home to a majority Shiite Muslim population and Sunni Muslim, Baha’i, Christian, and Zoroastrian minorities. The constitution recognizes only Zoroastrians, Jews, and certain Christian communities as non-Muslim religious minorities, and these small groups are relatively free to worship. The regime cracks down on Muslims who are deemed to be at variance with the state ideology and interpretation of Islam.
Sunni Muslims complain that they have been prevented from building mosques in major cities and face difficulty obtaining government jobs. In recent years, there has been increased pressure on the Sufi Muslim order Nematollahi Gonabadi, including destruction of its places of worship and the jailing of some of its members.
The government also subjects some non-Muslim minorities to repressive policies and discrimination, including Baha’is and unrecognized Christian groups. Baha’is are systematically persecuted, sentenced to prison, and banned from access to higher education. In May 2021, the Baha’i International Community reported on multiple raids of Baha’i homes, along with the detention of more than 20 people. Later that month, the Revolutionary Court of Borazjan issued prison sentences against six Baha’i; one defendant received an 11-year sentence for “propaganda activities against the regime” for discussing their faith, while the other five received 12-and-a-half-year sentences for “assisting in propaganda activities.” …”