I never stop learning. And,'maybe you need to do the same.
You repeatedly cite a "lack of public interest" as a root cause behind the limited funding for space exploration. That is simply not correct. Instead, what we see is the govt. ignoring the public interest in space exploration- and then demonizing members of the public who have legitimate interest, and questions regarding space exploration.
Yet, within the last few years, we have the pentagon showing the public UAP's. (UFO's) flying on our planet. What technology are those UAP using? We have recently been witness to numerous reputable individuals coming forward with testimony delivered to congress with first hand accounts, and knowledge of UAP. You're the rocket scientist here, explain that technology.
Ah, yes, how quickly we forget about that segment of the population who have been the perpetual targets of establishment propaganda for the last 50 (coincidence) some-odd years. Those deplorable "UFO quacks."
But, here we stand in 2023, with our govt. playing "grab-ass" when trying to answer questions surrounding documented UAP/UFO phenomenon.
From my perspective, it seems that there has been a great deal of public interest in space exploration- all of it routinely discounted, ignored, and marginalized by our govt. and the MSM establishment.
Where do those facts leave us? It leaves us [basically] with 3 possible explanations, that's where it leaves us.
1). The UAP video, and testimony is real, and it is earth based technology that our govt is in possession of, and simply lying about not knowing what it is.
2). The UAP's are earth based foreign technology, and our govt. really doesn't know what the hell it is.
3). It's alien technology, being flown by an alien intelligence, and our govt. may, or may not know much of anything about the UAP; or, they may know quite a lot.
Without rambling on too much in this post, stop and consider what all the UAP revelations really mean to our nation it terms of space exploration. It's a lot to chew on.
I stand by my position that the USA is decades behind where we as a nation need to be regarding space exploration, and this is an unacceptable situation. And, also, I firmly believe that there is a dark agenda within the halls of power to keep the USA (and our people) in the unacceptable position we find ourselves in today regarding the lack of space exploration.
As a side note, I also believe that Trump is aware of our situation, and the creation of Space Force was a move in the direction needed to fix our broken space program.
The lack of public interest is conclusive. I was there. I watched it. The Congress decided to go in a different direction (Space Shuttle), NOT give up space exploration. Budgets were continued for planetary probes and space telescopes. Enthusiast interest has always been present---but it was in the very small minority of public concern. Try to prove your point by budget data and you will lose every time.
What UAP technology? (Another bogus government category. It includes mirages. The old UFO term was more direct.) We don't know if they are psychic phenomena or machines (or either, or both). Lots of testimony, but nothing on the table. I have lots of interest, but was initially taken in by George Adamski, who had cross-sectional diagrams and photos. All fake. Lesson learned. When all we have are stories...all we have are plotlines. As much as I am eager and full of anticipation, I draw a sharp distinction between evidence and mere words. I completely believe that Ken Arnold saw what he saw---but I have no idea what he saw (nor does he). I can't explain technology that no one can bring to light (and I don't lose any sleep over it).
In the 50s and 60s, UFO research was regarded as odd, but respectable. There was Project Blue Book, which introduced J. Alan Hynek to the field; he became a UFO proponent after studying enough cases. It brought Maj. Donald Keyhoe to some prominence as a writer of books, who pursued his investigations with scientific standards. I don't understand the slang of "playing grab-ass," but to me it shows only that the Air Force is engaged in a publicity posture and knows nothing, while hinting that it knows something.
Where do you get your perspective? From other enthusiasts, or from the nightly news? You don't have any basis for your beliefs. I have been keeping in touch with the enthusiast groups over the years, and they are a very small subset of the population at large. And it is by no means clear that the enthusiast desires represent prudent policy in light of everything else. Just because something is not happening to the extent and to the schedule you desire, is not evidence of anything being "held back." Do you realize how many start-up space launch companies collapse into dust over a short life? Even big ones, like Virgin Orbit. Lots of ferment and New Kids on the block, but lots of gravestones.
We do not even know if UAPs represent technology or phenomena (or both).
If it is technology, it fails to conform to any Earth-based technology.
If it is alien technology, it is so far advanced we can be only spectators.
In practical terms, UAPs mean nothing to us. We have no knowledge from their observation that would change what we are doing.
We are decades behind what? We can't do all things at once. Some paths turn out to be less than hoped for (e.g., the Space Shuttle). Were they a waste of time? Who could have known? You can't judge where we are by looking in the rear-view mirror and bitching. You have to figure out where to go next, and why, and how. Breakthroughs come from new people who have the ability to make them stick (e.g., Elon Musk). He has revolutionized space launch, to everyone's benefit. The government is, in that regard, happy with him. NASA sees him as a refutation of the bureaucratic approach and begrudge him his success, but they have to acknowledge his ability and depend on it. So, they are happy to ride Dragon capsules to the ISS. The favored government contractor (Boeing) is fumbling and stumbling, and I have some doubts that they will EVER get Starliner flying. SpaceX was picked to make the Lunar Lander as a version of Starship (NASA's preferred option when stuck with making only one contract award). I have strong doubts about the viability of the entire Artemis mission concept and would not be surprised at program failure---but Musk is (as we used to say) "learning on someone else's money."
You are indulging in groundless paranoia about a "dark agenda" over the "lack of space exploration" from the only entity that is budgeting and planning a return to the Moon. There is a lack of polar exploration also, but can you really believe there is a dark agenda to prevent people from going where there is nothing but frozen wasteland? It is paradise compared to the Moon, yet you seem to think teeming masses want to go to the Moon. They would be happier in the Sahara or Namib deserts. Or the lava fields of Iceland. You are not taking this matter seriously enough to learn what the environment is like, or what the logistic constraints are. In short, if there is any reason to go there aside from curiosity...in the face of a lethal environment.
I continue to be disturbed at your implicit acceptance of the idea of forcing all Americans to pay for your preferred sideshow. What else is taxation? Where else does the money come from?
Several hours worth of video below; take your time with it.
Space exploration is clearly more important than simply basing it's necessity on "public interest," or tax budgeting- considering the amount of tax money that is routinely lost and stolen by our govt. It is imperative that mankind gets this figured out ASAP.
And, the longer we keep falling for and, accepting the govt. excuses for why we are not in hot pursuit of the leads provided by documented evidence, and credible witness testimony the worse the future looks for all of us.
{edit} Sorry I did not have time to find a better video of this event, with context, but this vid. is a group of former military personnel forming a public UFO disclosure group, and coming forward during this international 2010 Disclosure conference.
UAP's at nuke missile bases. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHVfW-hxCTc
My point being- It's rather hard to generate public interest in space exploration, when our own govt. is hiding information of interest regarding space-age technology, and encounters from the public, while simultaneously ridiculing citizens who do show interest. That is why I call it a "dark agenda."
Thank you for taking the effort to track down these videos. But I am sorry I can only briefly sample them. Video, for me, is a retrogression. I can assimilate material 5 times faster by reading it. The point being made in this testimony is something I've known since the late 1960s from the books by Maj. Donald Keyhoe, so this is old news.
What I deduce from 60 or so years of reading about this is that there are no "leads." Unless you want to follow the accounts of abductees, but there are serious problems with that. In any case, the existence of any alien technology is an open question, since nothing has materialized. We have no hints. There is no reverse-engineered technology. If you think there is, I would be happy to know what it is. Everything we have is terrestrial in origin.
Since these episodes were known since the 1970s, I don't think the government is "hiding information of interest." Of interest to whom? What is it? I've worked at the security clearance levels that one of the witnesses claimed (and should not have identified them so far as he did), and there is information that is legitimately kept from the general public that is crucial to the functioning of our defense systems. It is not usually breathtaking. What would be the point of hoarding an entirely new technology and not making use of it---or letting the Russians or Chinese make use of it first? (Surely, you don't think any aliens are playing favorites, do you?) Most of the information we have on encounters has been from the military, so I find it peculiar that you should claim they are opposed to such revelations. I have never experienced or know of any experience of citizens being ridiculed for showing such interest. The subject has received extensive motion picture coverage, and even series programs on television. I have never heard the narrators of investigative programs complain of government interference with their investigations.
And, honestly, what has this to do with space exploration? I think a stronger case can be made for a unified defense of the Earth from extraterrestrial threats and provision made for mass civil defense.
You overestimate the public desire to travel in space. "2001" was perhaps the best-produced film portraying space travel as an accomplished feat, and won high esteem---but people still didn't take it as a priority for today. There is no desire. There may be curiosity. There may be visionaries who set aside the problems by concentrating on the glory. Look at Antarctica: it is blessed with air and water and barely tolerable temperatures, and is nowhere as difficult to get to as Mars. Yet nobody wants to colonize Antarctica. We don't know what will happen when the "new" wears off any Martian colony---and the inhabitants descend into claustrophobia and paranoia. I'm all in favor of finding out whether Mars is a place worth being---and let the colonization proceed from those discoveries.
I never stop learning. And,'maybe you need to do the same.
You repeatedly cite a "lack of public interest" as a root cause behind the limited funding for space exploration. That is simply not correct. Instead, what we see is the govt. ignoring the public interest in space exploration- and then demonizing members of the public who have legitimate interest, and questions regarding space exploration.
Yet, within the last few years, we have the pentagon showing the public UAP's. (UFO's) flying on our planet. What technology are those UAP using? We have recently been witness to numerous reputable individuals coming forward with testimony delivered to congress with first hand accounts, and knowledge of UAP. You're the rocket scientist here, explain that technology.
Ah, yes, how quickly we forget about that segment of the population who have been the perpetual targets of establishment propaganda for the last 50 (coincidence) some-odd years. Those deplorable "UFO quacks."
But, here we stand in 2023, with our govt. playing "grab-ass" when trying to answer questions surrounding documented UAP/UFO phenomenon.
From my perspective, it seems that there has been a great deal of public interest in space exploration- all of it routinely discounted, ignored, and marginalized by our govt. and the MSM establishment.
Where do those facts leave us? It leaves us [basically] with 3 possible explanations, that's where it leaves us.
1). The UAP video, and testimony is real, and it is earth based technology that our govt is in possession of, and simply lying about not knowing what it is.
2). The UAP's are earth based foreign technology, and our govt. really doesn't know what the hell it is.
3). It's alien technology, being flown by an alien intelligence, and our govt. may, or may not know much of anything about the UAP; or, they may know quite a lot.
Without rambling on too much in this post, stop and consider what all the UAP revelations really mean to our nation it terms of space exploration. It's a lot to chew on.
I stand by my position that the USA is decades behind where we as a nation need to be regarding space exploration, and this is an unacceptable situation. And, also, I firmly believe that there is a dark agenda within the halls of power to keep the USA (and our people) in the unacceptable position we find ourselves in today regarding the lack of space exploration.
As a side note, I also believe that Trump is aware of our situation, and the creation of Space Force was a move in the direction needed to fix our broken space program.
The lack of public interest is conclusive. I was there. I watched it. The Congress decided to go in a different direction (Space Shuttle), NOT give up space exploration. Budgets were continued for planetary probes and space telescopes. Enthusiast interest has always been present---but it was in the very small minority of public concern. Try to prove your point by budget data and you will lose every time.
What UAP technology? (Another bogus government category. It includes mirages. The old UFO term was more direct.) We don't know if they are psychic phenomena or machines (or either, or both). Lots of testimony, but nothing on the table. I have lots of interest, but was initially taken in by George Adamski, who had cross-sectional diagrams and photos. All fake. Lesson learned. When all we have are stories...all we have are plotlines. As much as I am eager and full of anticipation, I draw a sharp distinction between evidence and mere words. I completely believe that Ken Arnold saw what he saw---but I have no idea what he saw (nor does he). I can't explain technology that no one can bring to light (and I don't lose any sleep over it).
In the 50s and 60s, UFO research was regarded as odd, but respectable. There was Project Blue Book, which introduced J. Alan Hynek to the field; he became a UFO proponent after studying enough cases. It brought Maj. Donald Keyhoe to some prominence as a writer of books, who pursued his investigations with scientific standards. I don't understand the slang of "playing grab-ass," but to me it shows only that the Air Force is engaged in a publicity posture and knows nothing, while hinting that it knows something.
Where do you get your perspective? From other enthusiasts, or from the nightly news? You don't have any basis for your beliefs. I have been keeping in touch with the enthusiast groups over the years, and they are a very small subset of the population at large. And it is by no means clear that the enthusiast desires represent prudent policy in light of everything else. Just because something is not happening to the extent and to the schedule you desire, is not evidence of anything being "held back." Do you realize how many start-up space launch companies collapse into dust over a short life? Even big ones, like Virgin Orbit. Lots of ferment and New Kids on the block, but lots of gravestones.
We do not even know if UAPs represent technology or phenomena (or both).
If it is technology, it fails to conform to any Earth-based technology.
If it is alien technology, it is so far advanced we can be only spectators.
In practical terms, UAPs mean nothing to us. We have no knowledge from their observation that would change what we are doing.
We are decades behind what? We can't do all things at once. Some paths turn out to be less than hoped for (e.g., the Space Shuttle). Were they a waste of time? Who could have known? You can't judge where we are by looking in the rear-view mirror and bitching. You have to figure out where to go next, and why, and how. Breakthroughs come from new people who have the ability to make them stick (e.g., Elon Musk). He has revolutionized space launch, to everyone's benefit. The government is, in that regard, happy with him. NASA sees him as a refutation of the bureaucratic approach and begrudge him his success, but they have to acknowledge his ability and depend on it. So, they are happy to ride Dragon capsules to the ISS. The favored government contractor (Boeing) is fumbling and stumbling, and I have some doubts that they will EVER get Starliner flying. SpaceX was picked to make the Lunar Lander as a version of Starship (NASA's preferred option when stuck with making only one contract award). I have strong doubts about the viability of the entire Artemis mission concept and would not be surprised at program failure---but Musk is (as we used to say) "learning on someone else's money."
You are indulging in groundless paranoia about a "dark agenda" over the "lack of space exploration" from the only entity that is budgeting and planning a return to the Moon. There is a lack of polar exploration also, but can you really believe there is a dark agenda to prevent people from going where there is nothing but frozen wasteland? It is paradise compared to the Moon, yet you seem to think teeming masses want to go to the Moon. They would be happier in the Sahara or Namib deserts. Or the lava fields of Iceland. You are not taking this matter seriously enough to learn what the environment is like, or what the logistic constraints are. In short, if there is any reason to go there aside from curiosity...in the face of a lethal environment.
I continue to be disturbed at your implicit acceptance of the idea of forcing all Americans to pay for your preferred sideshow. What else is taxation? Where else does the money come from?
Several hours worth of video below; take your time with it.
Space exploration is clearly more important than simply basing it's necessity on "public interest," or tax budgeting- considering the amount of tax money that is routinely lost and stolen by our govt. It is imperative that mankind gets this figured out ASAP.
And, the longer we keep falling for and, accepting the govt. excuses for why we are not in hot pursuit of the leads provided by documented evidence, and credible witness testimony the worse the future looks for all of us.
Recent congressional testimony regarding UAP: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SpzJnrwob1A
{edit} Sorry I did not have time to find a better video of this event, with context, but this vid. is a group of former military personnel forming a public UFO disclosure group, and coming forward during this international 2010 Disclosure conference.
UAP's at nuke missile bases.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LHVfW-hxCTc
{edit2} This looks to be a better version of the above video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3twCIdXmSP4
My point being- It's rather hard to generate public interest in space exploration, when our own govt. is hiding information of interest regarding space-age technology, and encounters from the public, while simultaneously ridiculing citizens who do show interest. That is why I call it a "dark agenda."
Thank you for taking the effort to track down these videos. But I am sorry I can only briefly sample them. Video, for me, is a retrogression. I can assimilate material 5 times faster by reading it. The point being made in this testimony is something I've known since the late 1960s from the books by Maj. Donald Keyhoe, so this is old news.
What I deduce from 60 or so years of reading about this is that there are no "leads." Unless you want to follow the accounts of abductees, but there are serious problems with that. In any case, the existence of any alien technology is an open question, since nothing has materialized. We have no hints. There is no reverse-engineered technology. If you think there is, I would be happy to know what it is. Everything we have is terrestrial in origin.
Since these episodes were known since the 1970s, I don't think the government is "hiding information of interest." Of interest to whom? What is it? I've worked at the security clearance levels that one of the witnesses claimed (and should not have identified them so far as he did), and there is information that is legitimately kept from the general public that is crucial to the functioning of our defense systems. It is not usually breathtaking. What would be the point of hoarding an entirely new technology and not making use of it---or letting the Russians or Chinese make use of it first? (Surely, you don't think any aliens are playing favorites, do you?) Most of the information we have on encounters has been from the military, so I find it peculiar that you should claim they are opposed to such revelations. I have never experienced or know of any experience of citizens being ridiculed for showing such interest. The subject has received extensive motion picture coverage, and even series programs on television. I have never heard the narrators of investigative programs complain of government interference with their investigations.
And, honestly, what has this to do with space exploration? I think a stronger case can be made for a unified defense of the Earth from extraterrestrial threats and provision made for mass civil defense.
You overestimate the public desire to travel in space. "2001" was perhaps the best-produced film portraying space travel as an accomplished feat, and won high esteem---but people still didn't take it as a priority for today. There is no desire. There may be curiosity. There may be visionaries who set aside the problems by concentrating on the glory. Look at Antarctica: it is blessed with air and water and barely tolerable temperatures, and is nowhere as difficult to get to as Mars. Yet nobody wants to colonize Antarctica. We don't know what will happen when the "new" wears off any Martian colony---and the inhabitants descend into claustrophobia and paranoia. I'm all in favor of finding out whether Mars is a place worth being---and let the colonization proceed from those discoveries.