Well stated, 7ate9. For me and my house, we stand with Lin. People of the world think when you meet Jesus, you immediately become perfect. Actually in your spirit that is the case, but in the flesh, carnal part of us, we are on our way step by step to being like Jesus. I don't put much stock in people who criticize Believers because they are just showing their ignorance as to how things work in the "spirit world". When we accept Jesus and are BORN AGAIN, we start out that new life being "babies" and then we GROW UP little by little. We mature little by little and can only speed it up somewhat according to how much we study and OBEY the BIBLE. Learning to LOVE is a process.