I have been asking myself that since 2020. Yes people had to be woken up. But is that it? Was all this damage worth it? I don’t know if the juice is worth the squeeze on that.
And then I thought about what Trump needs to do on day 1. And how does he do it. What happened to him last time he tried to do anything the normal way? The DOJ and Intel agencies sabotaged him, and the communist federal judges blocked him at every single step.
How do you cut through all the bullshit and get the military to the border? How do you deport millions of people? We know the second he tries, the federal judges are immediately going to stop him. The meme Hawaii judge. How do you cut out the deep state completely, and legally?
Why didn’t they stop covid? Surely they knew what was going on there. All those bozos were using email. They had to have known we were being attacked with a weapon of mass destruction in order to streamline a stolen election.
The only way to accomplish what needed to be done was to activate the most extreme measures possible. As if America has been hit with a nuclear weapon and the entire government has been demolished. It essentially was. We were hit with a WMD that allowed a foreign power to conquer the traditional chain of command.
By allowing that to happen, it opens up the chess board completely. And more important, legally. Trump will be completely free of the typical restrictions present under the corrupt system. It doesn’t matter if some judge tries to block military intervention at the border. They no longer have any power. It’s an illusion. All of what we are seeing is an illusion. A necessary one to keep the economy and global order stable, and to deceive our enemies.
It’s the only way to accomplish what needs to be done. We had to go through the worst thing a country can go through, in order to free ourselves from the current system. It had to be done right. It had to be done LEGALLY. And the only way to shitcan the entire deep state at one time was to allow our enemies to hit us with a WMD and takeover the existing federal government.
It’s the only thing that makes sense. Without it, 2024 would be an exact repeat of 2016. He would be instantly ham stringed by the entire corrupt federal system.
Chess not checkers.
The President doesn't have the sort of autonomous power you're giving him here. The entire plan you're describing would only work under a military-backed dictatorship.
You're completely ignoring all the checks and balances that Congress and the courts have over the President.
I'm not trying to be rude, but pretty much everything you've said there is nothing more than wishful thinking when you haven't supported what you're saying with cold, hard facts such as specific laws that would apply.
And that's cool. You're free to believe whatever you want. But if you're trying to convince others to believe the same as you, it will take more than your opinions on the matter to sway them. Well, at least some of them. Way too many people will believe anything they're told.
Everything hinges on exactly how much power the President has, what checks and balances the courts and Congress have, and what he can do legally with that power.
Everything comes down to that. Without that, nothing about the Plan will ever be put into place. Without having that foundation established, there's no point in skipping ahead to another part of the plan.
But the way you and others here have regarded the entire foundation of your argument is to just briefly mention something vague about how he has emergency powers and EOs. That's it. That's all I've seen.
I've spent a lot of time and effort trying to understand how such a plan would work. I've spoken to several lawyers who specialize in Constitutional law, and every one of them has said that the President does not have the type of power you're saying he does.
If you're trying to convince me that what you're saying is correct, the way to do that would be to point out the specific laws that would grant the President the powers to implement his plan. That's where to start. And then we look at how the courts and Congress will respond to him. Everyone here has just completely skipped over this part. Do you think that no one is going to oppose him when he does this?
So if you're trying to convince me or anyone else that you're correct about this, that would be how to start.
But you're not obligated to convince me of anything. And I'm not trying to convince you that I'm right. I'm just explaining to you why what you're saying isn't convincing me you're right. Please don't take offense to my comments here. I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to try to help me understand things.
You don’t know the powers the president has. Just google national emergency and read what that authorizes the president to do. Google PEADs and read what they authorize the president to do.
You are wrong. The president via control of the military has almost limitless power to save the republic as needed. This is established and has been used before by Lincoln.
National emergencies flush the constitution down the toilet. They have to exist for times of duress like nuclear or biological war.
It would take you 5 minutes to read for yourself what national emergencies and PEADs do. Go ahead.
I don't need to google anything. I have already read up on national emergency acts and have even spoken to lawyers who specialize in constitutional law, like I said earlier.
And, as I said earlier, the President does not have the unchecked, unlimited power you're imagining he has. And, again, like I said earlier, you're ignoring the fact that the courts and Congress can step in if they believe the President is doing something illegal or unconstitutional.
The President also doesn't have unfettered control over the military. There must be an obvious need for him to call upon them. So he will have to convince them that there is indeed a cabal and that they should be tasked with rounding them up and then engaging in military tribunals and everything else associated with that.
If they think an order is unconstitutional or illegal, they are under no obligation to follow the President's orders. You seem to think that Trump just has to tell them to do something and they absolutely have to do it.
I feel like you're not even bothering to read my comments. I'm just repeating myself here.
Edited to add:
A major point I think you're missing is that the President can't simply invoke the National Emergency Act over anything he wants. While he, and we, might agree getting rid of the cabal is an emergency, that doesn't seem to be the case with the vast majority of Congress.
Congress can, indeed, undo a State of Emergency declaration.
Apparently, you've forgotten, or were never aware, that President Trump threatened to use the State of Emergency Act during his first term when he was trying to get the southern border wall built. It was in the news constantly, with legal experts discussing the chances of it being upheld in the courts, and explaining how Congress could undo his declaration if he made one.
President Trump obviously saw that his declaration would not be upheld, because he dropped the entire matter. If he thought it would work, he would have signed the declaration, and we would have our southern border wall right now, and wouldn't be having a crisis at the border.
We already are in a state of national emergency that was declared in 2018 in relation to foreign election interference. That emergency has been extended every year, including 2023 and is currently active as we speak. It was not just extended during the Trump administration, it has been extended every year during the Biden Administration.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2022/09/07/notice-on-the-continuation-of-the-national-emergency-with-respect-to-foreign-interference-in-or-undermining-public-confidence-in-united-states-elections-2/
Definition of national emergency-A national emergency is a situation in which a government is empowered to perform actions not normally permitted.
It’s already happened. Just because you don’t see humvees on the streets doesn’t mean that the bureaucratic changes have not been enacted. Legally, since that day in 2018, extra constitutional action was authorized if foreign election interference was detected.
We can agree to disagree. But I want to you remember this conversation in 2024 when the border is militarized and massive deportations begin. When everything Trump has said he is going to do, he does.
I'm trying to understand what you're saying here, so please bear with me.
You're talking specifically about a state of national emergency concerning foreign interference in elections, right?
Do you think that Trump can't do anything about the deep state until foreign election interference can be detected? If so, what does foreign election interference have to do with getting rid of the deep state in the US?
What exactly do you think will change after Trump is re-elected so that foreign election interference will be detected that will then allow him to begin getting rid of the cabal?
It just occurred to me what was bothering me so much about this post.
Wouldn't this be the ideal time for the Dems to try for a gun grab? You said that the Biden administration has extended the state of national security and that it's currently active, right?
If it gives the President as much power as you say, couldn't Biden use this opportunity to finally disarm US citizens? This would be the best chance liberals would ever get to take our guns.
They would want to do it before the election. And if they were able to do that, then we're basically powerless when they try to steal the election again.
I'm astonished they haven't done this yet. Times running out for them. Or maybe I should say time is running out for us?
What do you think? Is this something we should worry about? I haven't noticed anyone talking about a massive gun grab being planned, but I just don't see them passing up such a golden opportunity.