Just curious, but do you think Plato, one of the greatest philosophers and minds of all time, who was born and lived in the place Democracy was essentially born, and did basically nothing but think about those types of things, didn't know what he was talking about?
We weren't discussing whether or not democracy was a good thing. Just what it meant.
And the concept of democracy had been around for thousands of years before our Founding Fathers created this country. But you think after thousands of years of the concept of democracy being established, our Founding Fathers decided to change the meaning?
Or, could it possibly be that educated men like our Founding Fathers assumed that the general population would also be educated and would know that they were speaking of direct democracy when they were talking about "mob rule" and when speaking of a republic, they knew it was a form of democracy known as representative democracy. All of which had been known of for thousands of years.
This was possibly the biggest mistake our Founding Fathers made. They assumed the voting population would be composed of educated people who understood basic concepts like democracy. Guess they didn't forsee the shitty public education the US would eventually have.
Plato didn't like the idea of democracy, either. But again, we weren't talking about if Plato liked it, just what it was.
If you had read The Republic like I suggested, you would know all that.
You realize that you can know about a subject without being in favor of it, right?
I didn't change my tune. Never did I say that Plato was pro-democracy. Simply that he is regarded as one of the brightest minds concerning philosophy and the study of governments and concepts such as democracy.
And we weren't talking about if he was pro democracy or not. We were discussing what the meaning of democracy is.
I brought up Plato because not only is he considered quite brilliant, but it shows how the concept of democracy goes back thousands of years and that it was well established before the Founding Fathers wrote of it.
If you had any sort of knowledge of Plato, you would have known all that, and not just assumed he was pro democracy.
If you had bothered to read The Republic like I suggested or even did a basic internet search of it, you would have known that.
Instead you just commented on it without any clue what you were talking about and demonstrated your ignorance on the subject for everyone to see. Not my fault you did that.
And no, we were NOT discussing whether or not democracy is a good thing. We were discussing what it is.
Let me break it down for you.
Democracy: The most basic and general definition is a system of government ruled by the people.
Republic: The most basic and general definition is a system of government where the people elect representatives to rule in their name.
There, that's it.
So please tell me what it is about electing representatives to rule for us is so crazy awesome that you feel the need to distinguish it from democracy?
Please note these are the same representatives that comprise The Swamp.
And we were not talking about if the US was a "democratic republic". Where do you people keep coming up with me saying this? I've clarified like 5 times now, several to you, that I never claimed this. Yet you still keep going back to it.
Just curious, but do you think Plato, one of the greatest philosophers and minds of all time, who was born and lived in the place Democracy was essentially born, and did basically nothing but think about those types of things, didn't know what he was talking about?
We weren't discussing whether or not democracy was a good thing. Just what it meant.
And the concept of democracy had been around for thousands of years before our Founding Fathers created this country. But you think after thousands of years of the concept of democracy being established, our Founding Fathers decided to change the meaning?
Or, could it possibly be that educated men like our Founding Fathers assumed that the general population would also be educated and would know that they were speaking of direct democracy when they were talking about "mob rule" and when speaking of a republic, they knew it was a form of democracy known as representative democracy. All of which had been known of for thousands of years.
This was possibly the biggest mistake our Founding Fathers made. They assumed the voting population would be composed of educated people who understood basic concepts like democracy. Guess they didn't forsee the shitty public education the US would eventually have.
Plato didn't like the idea of democracy, either. But again, we weren't talking about if Plato liked it, just what it was.
If you had read The Republic like I suggested, you would know all that.
I thought I was a big pain in the ass....
You realize that you can know about a subject without being in favor of it, right?
I didn't change my tune. Never did I say that Plato was pro-democracy. Simply that he is regarded as one of the brightest minds concerning philosophy and the study of governments and concepts such as democracy.
And we weren't talking about if he was pro democracy or not. We were discussing what the meaning of democracy is.
I brought up Plato because not only is he considered quite brilliant, but it shows how the concept of democracy goes back thousands of years and that it was well established before the Founding Fathers wrote of it.
If you had any sort of knowledge of Plato, you would have known all that, and not just assumed he was pro democracy.
If you had bothered to read The Republic like I suggested or even did a basic internet search of it, you would have known that.
Instead you just commented on it without any clue what you were talking about and demonstrated your ignorance on the subject for everyone to see. Not my fault you did that.
And no, we were NOT discussing whether or not democracy is a good thing. We were discussing what it is.
Let me break it down for you.
Democracy: The most basic and general definition is a system of government ruled by the people.
Republic: The most basic and general definition is a system of government where the people elect representatives to rule in their name.
There, that's it.
So please tell me what it is about electing representatives to rule for us is so crazy awesome that you feel the need to distinguish it from democracy?
Please note these are the same representatives that comprise The Swamp.
And we were not talking about if the US was a "democratic republic". Where do you people keep coming up with me saying this? I've clarified like 5 times now, several to you, that I never claimed this. Yet you still keep going back to it.