FDA and every other alphabet agency are all illegitimate agencies having never been created constitutionally. Each must have been created by amendment; NONE were. This crap began in 1817 with the attempt by Congress to create a role, responsibility, power, and property that would establish the footings for a Department of Transportation. All three Presidents, Madison, Monroe, and Jackson vetoed 3 separate efforts to create this first unconstitutional agency.
Each President cited the fact that the powers Congress was asserting were not enumerated in the Constitution for the United States. In President Madison’s veto statement on 03 Mar 1817, he stated: “That the power they were attempting to establish within the Bill was not an enumerated power within the Constitution,” continuing on in asserting that his wish was that Congress would attain “the necessary powers to the same wisdom and virtue in the nation which established the Constitution in its actual form and providently marked out in the instrument itself a safe and practicable mode of improving it as experience might suggest,” pointing to the “mode” as to amending the Constitution.
President Monroe was far more specific stating that: “It has never been contended that the power was specifically granted. It is claimed only as being incidental to some one or more of the powers which are specifically granted. The following are the powers from which it is said to be derived: First, from the right to establish post-offices and post-roads; second, from the right to declare war; third, to regulate commerce; fourth, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare; fifth, from the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution all the powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States or in any department or officer thereof; sixth and lastly, from the power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory and other property of the United States.
According to my judgment it can not be derived from any of those powers, nor from all of them united, and in consequence, it does not exist…Having at the commencement of my service in this high trust considered it a duty to express the opinion that the United States do not possess the power in question, and to suggest for the consideration of Congress the propriety of recommending to the States an amendment to the Constitution to vest the power in the United States, my attention has been often drawn to the subject since, in consequence whereof I have occasionally committed my sentiments to paper respecting it.”
Clearly, President Monroe ultimately concluded that Congress must recommend to the States an amendment to the Constitution in accordance with Article V, the only mode for the States to formally delegate a new role, responsibility, power, or form of property to the general government.
EXCELLENT POST!! And something I had never seen before.
Do you happen to know which SCOTUS cases more or less "overturned" this line of thinking? I am assuming people challenged the constitutionality of all these alphabet agencies, and some corrupt courts rubber stamped them.
CONgress, as it always does, likes to make laws and all kinds of messes for the people. I don't think that SCOTUS weighed in on this at all. All of it is simply and precisely unconstitutional. When the people don't know what that document says (and our public servants come FROM the people), we have a downward spiral on oversight and knowledge of what their jobs entail. Any lack of understanding can be remedied by consulting the Ratification Debates--all of the discussions, arguments, etc. during the formation of the Constitution were faithfully documented.
The gentleman who is steeped in the Ratification Debates is G.R. Mobley. Hit up his website, reclaimingtherepublic.org for the DOT First Amendment petition and so many more. A number of folks in the US have helped write the petitions--I've helped in editing some of them--they've now begun presenting them to the County Supervisors in Iowa (not sure what county). Before each state became a state, the people sent their delegates to the Capitol. Do you see the order of that process? The people made their counties which created the states. WHO IS THE BOSS OF WHO?
Thanks for reading what I commented. I hope you are hungry for more. They usually have a weekly StartMeeting. It gets me very excited to see this happening.
Edit: People seem to consult the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers and think that the answers are in those papers. The Ratification Debates are where the treasure really is. He has a lot of podcasts archived there. Amazing, amazing information!!!!
FDA and every other alphabet agency are all illegitimate agencies having never been created constitutionally. Each must have been created by amendment; NONE were. This crap began in 1817 with the attempt by Congress to create a role, responsibility, power, and property that would establish the footings for a Department of Transportation. All three Presidents, Madison, Monroe, and Jackson vetoed 3 separate efforts to create this first unconstitutional agency.
Each President cited the fact that the powers Congress was asserting were not enumerated in the Constitution for the United States. In President Madison’s veto statement on 03 Mar 1817, he stated: “That the power they were attempting to establish within the Bill was not an enumerated power within the Constitution,” continuing on in asserting that his wish was that Congress would attain “the necessary powers to the same wisdom and virtue in the nation which established the Constitution in its actual form and providently marked out in the instrument itself a safe and practicable mode of improving it as experience might suggest,” pointing to the “mode” as to amending the Constitution.
President Monroe was far more specific stating that: “It has never been contended that the power was specifically granted. It is claimed only as being incidental to some one or more of the powers which are specifically granted. The following are the powers from which it is said to be derived: First, from the right to establish post-offices and post-roads; second, from the right to declare war; third, to regulate commerce; fourth, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare; fifth, from the power to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution all the powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States or in any department or officer thereof; sixth and lastly, from the power to dispose of and make all needful rules and regulations respecting the territory and other property of the United States. According to my judgment it can not be derived from any of those powers, nor from all of them united, and in consequence, it does not exist…Having at the commencement of my service in this high trust considered it a duty to express the opinion that the United States do not possess the power in question, and to suggest for the consideration of Congress the propriety of recommending to the States an amendment to the Constitution to vest the power in the United States, my attention has been often drawn to the subject since, in consequence whereof I have occasionally committed my sentiments to paper respecting it.”
Clearly, President Monroe ultimately concluded that Congress must recommend to the States an amendment to the Constitution in accordance with Article V, the only mode for the States to formally delegate a new role, responsibility, power, or form of property to the general government.
EXCELLENT POST!! And something I had never seen before.
Do you happen to know which SCOTUS cases more or less "overturned" this line of thinking? I am assuming people challenged the constitutionality of all these alphabet agencies, and some corrupt courts rubber stamped them.
CONgress, as it always does, likes to make laws and all kinds of messes for the people. I don't think that SCOTUS weighed in on this at all. All of it is simply and precisely unconstitutional. When the people don't know what that document says (and our public servants come FROM the people), we have a downward spiral on oversight and knowledge of what their jobs entail. Any lack of understanding can be remedied by consulting the Ratification Debates--all of the discussions, arguments, etc. during the formation of the Constitution were faithfully documented.
The gentleman who is steeped in the Ratification Debates is G.R. Mobley. Hit up his website, reclaimingtherepublic.org for the DOT First Amendment petition and so many more. A number of folks in the US have helped write the petitions--I've helped in editing some of them--they've now begun presenting them to the County Supervisors in Iowa (not sure what county). Before each state became a state, the people sent their delegates to the Capitol. Do you see the order of that process? The people made their counties which created the states. WHO IS THE BOSS OF WHO?
Thanks for reading what I commented. I hope you are hungry for more. They usually have a weekly StartMeeting. It gets me very excited to see this happening.
Edit: People seem to consult the Federalist and Anti-Federalist papers and think that the answers are in those papers. The Ratification Debates are where the treasure really is. He has a lot of podcasts archived there. Amazing, amazing information!!!!