Good discussion between you and u/standingoak. As I have sympathy and agreement toward both sides, may I proffer that we do both? In my opinion, you’re talking past each other.
At some point, [they] successfully knocked us off course, somehow. The specific actuals aren’t as important as knowing ways they might have done it to think about how to fix and protect against that attack.
Per notes, recover what we can and get to work on rebuilding.
“Conservatism” has mostly been a useless controlled opposition party for at least 50 years, if not much longer. Let’s learn how to properly oppose them while … wait for it … enacting “progress”. Commies can be the regressive consumers trying to conserve their democracy. “Progress” is ours now, but only if it irritates them!
Good discussion between you and u/standingoak. As I have sympathy and agreement toward both sides, may I proffer that we do both? In my opinion, you’re talking past each other.
Being led by your anger at the piper , you are. Do what is right , let them be damned or let them follow.
They do get me sometimes, but there’s also Sun Tzu - if your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him, which is what i was after.
It’s a tactical debate, though.