EXCLUSIVE: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano Summoned to Vatican to be Excommunicated
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edit- I'll check out the work, thank you! As I said in my opening remark here I'm not 100% on this topic. I'm only relaying what I find more likely based on the passages I know.
First, I addressed most of these here: https://greatawakening.win/p/17tLAw7P7v/x/c/4ZCZxBYuFqV
Second, please explain these passages?
John 17:1-19
1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. 4I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Prayer for the Disciples 6I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. 10And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them. 11And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. 12While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
You seem to have a problem with how God speaks through a prophet.
I am a Christian. I claim God was speaking through His pure son, Jesus Christ, who was with Him in Heaven before the world was made. God had another son who did not obey Him, and we know the result. Do you not see the same template with Jacob and Esau? Anyways, I addressed most of those verses in the comment that I linked to you. For the ones I didn't address, Isaiah 9:6 is the only one which is a challenge. (I'm not going back through to see which ones I responded to as you wholeheartedly discarded everything I said about them). I will have to study and pray on Isaiah 9:6, you just may have changed my mind.
Agreed.
Disagreed, you conflate my skepticism on the "established understanding and dogma" of "The Trinity" with me denying Christ, which is quite the charge to levy as I just told you in detail my understanding of Christ and belief in Him.
Who all do you include within this label, may I ask? The very title itself speaks volumes.
Matthew 23:9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Remember these words.